[ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Dylan McCall
The problem with the Windows way is that there is a complete lack of consistency in that environment. Learning a new application is a complex task since they all behave differently. As an example, there is the question of whether it places itself in the notification area! Really, programs should

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Troy James Sobotka
Dylan McCall wrote: The notification area exists for programs to present information about notable happenings. That Rhythmbox is running is by no means a notable happening. If you want to make a difference, get involved in the specifications that matter. Most importantly -- _FILE BUGS_

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Andrew Laignel
Dylan McCall wrote: The problem with the Windows way is that there is a complete lack of consistency in that environment. Learning a new application is a complex task since they all behave differently. As an example, there is the question of whether it places itself in the notification

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Troy James Sobotka
Jan Niklas Hasse wrote: GNOME Applets aren't an alternative because they are only available for GNOME. XCFE, KDE, Windows for example use GTK+ applications, too! So please stop blaming developers that they shouldn't use the notification area without providing an alternative with the same

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Álvaro Medina Ballester
El 10/02/2008, a las 21:17, Andrew Laignel escribió: Dylan McCall wrote: The problem with the Windows way is that there is a complete lack of consistency in that environment. Learning a new application is a complex task since they all behave differently. As an example, there is the

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Jan Niklas Hasse
On Feb 10, 2008 10:14 PM, Troy James Sobotka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan Niklas Hasse wrote: GNOME Applets aren't an alternative because they are only available for GNOME. XCFE, KDE, Windows for example use GTK+ applications, too! So please stop blaming developers that they shouldn't use

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Greg K Nicholson
On Sun, 2008-02-10 at 13:14 -0800, Troy James Sobotka wrote: If you want small icons for your running programs, I would assume this can be accomplished through other means. It seems that it can't, since developers keep using the notification are for this purpose. If an app isn't 'notifying'

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Álvaro Medina Ballester
El 10/02/2008, a las 22:34, Jan Niklas Hasse escribió: That's exactly what i wanted to say: Completely agree. If this goes further, that apps in system tray _should not_ be removed untill that new feature is completely implented and functional. And if they shouldn't be removed, their

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Greg K Nicholson
On Sun, 2008-02-10 at 11:30 -0800, Troy James Sobotka wrote: For example, a system tray icon might appear to tell the user that they have new mail, or have an incoming instant message, or something along those lines. I guess Evolution's flashing envelope means “You have a new message! Wait

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Andrew Laignel
Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote: If Ubuntu is going to lead GNU/Linux revolution, let's start thinking some things, lets make some specifications, let's design a new gui for gnome and let's help gnome's team to develop it! I'm glad to know that there are a lot of people interested in this

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Dylan McCall
That much (about desktop-neutrality) is definitely true, Jan. That's why the idea of building an application lister applet is a slow one, at best... A GNOME-centric proof of concept wouldn't hurt, but it would definitely be sensible to have a solid addition to the FreeDesktop standards somewhere.

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Dylan McCall
Mockups, eh? Well, here are a few to look at. Firstly, I have indeed been very very slowly poking at the application switcher thought as a panel applet. Not really anywhere far yet, but this discussion got me opening up the project again. I guess that's a step in the right direction... I am

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
On 10/02/2008, Dylan McCall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mockups, eh? Well, here are a few to look at. Firstly, I have indeed been very very slowly poking at the application switcher thought as a panel applet. Not really anywhere far yet, but this discussion got me opening up the project again. I

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Greg K Nicholson
On Sun, 2008-02-10 at 14:15 -0800, Dylan McCall wrote: I am toying with a button-looking container with some toggle buttons within for each process. The one you see here is really just an ugly hack (and a mockup, obviously), but it shows the idea:

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions ( was Re: next meeting)

2008-02-10 Thread Greg K Nicholson
Ooh! I vote for this. vote? sorry but I think you misunderstood this whole process. No—I know this isn't a democracy. I wasn't expecting an actual vote that would count for anything; I was just succinctly expressing my support for this idea. -- Greg K Nicholson -- ubuntu-art mailing