> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:23:11 am Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > It's not like they *need* to stick their head in the lion's mouth.
>
> Well, actually, if Microsoft want to be taken seriously in the Open
> Source community, they do.
Yeah, this is true -- I think some folks within Microsoft been attempt
Hello,
> > The professionals (journalists, negotiators, lawyers) spend years
> > learning and honing their skills, just as we spend years improving ours.
> > We're likely to do about as well conducting a potentially hostile
> > interview as a lawyer or journalist writing a subtle piece of code - n
> > The venue is unlikely to provoke a PR earthquake for anyone involved.
>
> Agreed. Though if we could swing it, it'd be neat :-)
Wow. So, you'd like to be as grubby as you've suggested they are? Classy.
- Jeff
--
GNOME.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australia http://live.gnome.org/Melbourne2008
Hello,
> > When engaging an opponent who is cunning
...
> > it behooves one to proceed with caution.
Jeff Waugh:
> OK: Let's wear floaties! Seriously, it's a few Microsoft people at a LUG.
> It is not national television. About the worst that could happen is that
> some press dude comes along and
On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 04:50:10PM +1000, Daniel Mons wrote:
> Do we have names and/or job descriptions of the Microsoft employees in
> question?
>
> The wiki says:
> "There’s a strong chance that we can have some fairly senior Microsoft
> Australia representatives at a SLUG meeting (likely Januar
Hello,
> > "A Microsoft partner is a victim they haven't got to yet."
...
Sridhar Dhanapalan:
> You're reading far too much into this. This is a one-off meeting. It is not
> another MS-Novell deal, and we sure as heck aren't making a human pretzel.
I hope so.
> At the very least, this is an opp
Hello,
Jeff Waugh:
> Here's an idea: Engage!
When engaging an opponent who is cunning, powerful, ruthless, opportunistic,
predatory and with a history of misleading, dishonest and even outright
illegal behaviour, including turning on those it previously led to believe
were its partners, it beh
On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 10:11:22AM +0800, Harish Pillay wrote:
...
>
> So, while it is good to give them a hearing, make sure that they do not pull
> tricks.
Which is what makes their request to enter the lions den, with cameras
rolling, all the more interesting ;-)
--
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Jiri Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In addition, if the speakers are taking questions directly from the floor,
> they are effectively the moderator of the discussion and thereby in
> control. This seems to be common at LUG meetings and works reasonably well
> for the kinds o
> > > If so, perhaps professionals should be asking the questions and
> > > follow-up questions, not random geeks.
>
> > Oh. Real nice. To both the professionals *and* geeks who go to LUG
> > events.
>
> The professionals (journalists, negotiators, lawyers) spend years learning
> and honing the
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Daniel Mons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do we have names and/or job descriptions of the Microsoft employees in
> question?
>
> The wiki says:
> "There’s a strong chance that we can have some fairly senior Microsoft
> Australia representatives at a SLUG meeting (likely January
> Do we have names and/or job descriptions of the Microsoft employees in
> question?
Sam Ramji was going to be there (and at linux.conf.au), but unfortunately he
couldn't come out to Australia for whatever reason.
> I personally have strong interests in virtualisation and both high
> availabili
Do we have names and/or job descriptions of the Microsoft employees in
question?
The wiki says:
"There’s a strong chance that we can have some fairly senior Microsoft
Australia representatives at a SLUG meeting (likely January 2008). One
shall be a business person, the others are engineers."
Give
> When engaging an opponent who is cunning
8< snip 8<
> it behooves one to proceed with caution.
OK: Let's wear floaties! Seriously, it's a few Microsoft people at a LUG. It
is not national television. About the worst that could happen is that some
press dude comes along and says "Wow, those f
While on the topic of MS speaking at a LUG event, I had a similar request
by MS to speak at the Singapore LUG in 2006. The request came from
MS and they wanted to have two persons to come talk to the membership.
As president of the Singapore LUG, I posed this to the committee and we
were all in f
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, "Brent Wallis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Jan 12, 2008 10:47 PM, Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, "Brent Wallis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > K...so they asked to come along or did someone invite them?
> >
> > They offered,
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Jiri Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Brent Wallis:
> > The big 2 questions I have in my head is "why" this MS visit, and,
> > what the SLUG and MS want to get out of it.
>
> "A Microsoft partner is a victim they haven't got to yet."
>
> For MS, it's clearly advanta
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Con Zymaris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What are the odds of taping this session and pasting it up on a video
> sharing site? It would also be interesting to see Microsoft's response
> to the question of the session being taped.
We are going to have the video available for do
> Excellentbut I would like to suggest that it is very important that MS
> state their reasons for attendance _before_ the event.
>
> A large corp such as MS does not decide one day to attend LUGs without
> having a really good reason.
A large 'corp' doesn't have a singular focus or decisio
Hi,
On Jan 12, 2008 10:47 PM, Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, "Brent Wallis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > K...so they asked to come along or did someone invite them?
>
> They offered, and we treated them with even more scepticism and conditions
> than we wo
Hello,
Brent Wallis:
> The big 2 questions I have in my head is "why" this MS visit, and,
> what the SLUG and MS want to get out of it.
"A Microsoft partner is a victim they haven't got to yet."
For MS, it's clearly advantageous to appear to have reformed its ways and to
appear to be cooperatin
On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 04:18:37AM +1100, Jiri Baum wrote:
...
> Why SLUG is falling for it, I'm not sure; most likely, it's built on a
> culture
> of cooperation and openness and simply doesn't have the necessary defences.
> It would hardly be alone in that - even organisations such as ISO hav
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, "Brent Wallis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Some questions come to mind and am wondering if this list could be
> given more info
>
> On Jan 12, 2008 7:06 PM, Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > /me dons his flame-retardant suit
> >
> > If you could ask
Hi,
Some questions come to mind and am wondering if this list could be
given more info
On Jan 12, 2008 7:06 PM, Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> /me dons his flame-retardant suit
>
> If you could ask Microsoft a question, what would it be?
>
> That is not a theoretical question
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