[Bug 1370416] Re: Central and German package servers ship different state of the same package marked as the same version

2014-09-20 Thread xor
Thanks. Muon is the default package manager and there's an update tray icon alert thing in Kubuntu, so you might want to judge the priority which is not set yet upon that. FYI the issue still applies, today is day 3, so I would assume it really is not a package server synchronization issue. --

[Bug 1370416] Re: Central and German package servers ship different state of the same package marked as the same version

2014-09-19 Thread xor
Thanks. It has been 2 days now, and the package is still showed as NON-security on the machine even though I have updated the package list just now. No matter what possible technical explanations are, from a system administrator's perspective, it is a bug if a security update is marked as

[Bug 1370416] Re: Central and German package servers ship different state of the same package marked as the same version

2014-09-19 Thread Seth Arnold
You will only see a security update in -security in the first few hours after publication; depending upon a large number of variables it might be visible in a mirror's -updates pocket within minutes or maybe a day later. This is a one-way transition -- there's no point in checking again once the

[Bug 1370416] Re: Central and German package servers ship different state of the same package marked as the same version

2014-09-19 Thread xor
Ok I think I finally know where we are misunderstanding each other: I am *NOT* using the URL to determine whether it is a security update! I am talking about the fact that the user interface of aptitude has a category Security updates and Upgradable packages. The package is displayed at

[Bug 1370416] Re: Central and German package servers ship different state of the same package marked as the same version

2014-09-19 Thread Seth Arnold
Ah! That's the missing piece indeed. I've never used aptitude or muon so I've never noticed the discrepancy. Thanks ** Changed in: ubuntu Status: Invalid = Confirmed ** Package changed: ubuntu = aptitude (Ubuntu) ** Also affects: muon (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New

[Bug 1370416] Re: Central and German package servers ship different state of the same package marked as the same version

2014-09-17 Thread Seth Arnold
** Information type changed from Private Security to Public Security ** Changed in: ubuntu Status: New = Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1370416 Title: Central and

[Bug 1370416] Re: Central and German package servers ship different state of the same package marked as the same version

2014-09-17 Thread Seth Arnold
Thanks for your concern; this is standard and expected behaviour. The security.ubuntu.com server farm is fairly small and on limited bandwidth compared to the wider Ubuntu mirror network so our security updates are periodically copied into the -updates pocket for wider distribution and mirroring.

[Bug 1370416] Re: Central and German package servers ship different state of the same package marked as the same version

2014-09-17 Thread xor
Thanks but I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. There are two interpretations of what you said: 1) Did you misread my report and thought I was complaining that one machine does not see a security update yet while the other sees it? That is NOT the case. They both see the same

[Bug 1370416] Re: Central and German package servers ship different state of the same package marked as the same version

2014-09-17 Thread Seth Arnold
It is normal for security updates to be copied to the -updates pocket of the mirror network in order to provide better update availability and speed to everyone. We don't expect users to determine if an update is a security update based on the URL where the package can be found. Instead, our