On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:54, Eric Feliksik wrote:
> So after much discussion the global opinion is something like this:
>
> 1) Some like the fancy dialog, some don't
It's consistency over fanciness. Fanciness makes geeks happy. Consistency
makes better user experience. What do we want?
> 2)
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On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Oliver Grawert wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 04.04.2006, 22:02 +0100 schrieb Henrik Nilsen Omma:
Well, some users want both options, but those who don't know the
difference (which we have established is most people) don't.
So after much discussion the global opinion is something like this:
1) Some like the fancy dialog, some don't
2) Most people agree that the dialog is not completely self-explanatory
3) because of 2), the sabdfl is in favor of explanatory text (and that's
the obligatory global opinion then :))
4)
Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
A better use of our time would be figuring out how to disable options
that don't work on specific hardware! Perhaps some sort of "oops I
failed to hibernate" tracking could be used to hint the system that it
really, really does not want to offer the hibernate option any
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 22:02 +0100, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:
> Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> > Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:
> >> IMO it would be best to only show one of these options to the average
> >> user. (It would be useful to have some real-world data on which of
> >> these people use most often
Mark Shuttleworth a écrit :
> Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:
>> IMO it would be best to only show one of these options to the average
>> user. (It would be useful to have some real-world data on which of
>> these people use most often -- sleep I guess -- and how many people
>> regularly use both options
moin moin ;-)
I am such an user, who doesn't know the difference - and I tell you - I
am confused about that really big Logout-"picture" with so many options.
In Germany we sometimes say "weniger ist mehr" (less is more) and so I
agree with Henrik. Those users, who want to use "hibernate" will
hi,
Am Dienstag, den 04.04.2006, 22:02 +0100 schrieb Henrik Nilsen Omma:
> Well, some users want both options, but those who don't know the
> difference (which we have established is most people) don't. If
> Hibernate tends to fail, then it might be wise to leave that one hidden
> by default and
Le mardi 04 avril 2006 à 16:57 +0100, Who a écrit :
> I think that the new logout dialog (I.E the one with the description)
>
> 1. Is very professional (especially the way it appears when the power
> button is pressed)
> 2. Very clearly describes what each option does, which is important
> for new
Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:
IMO it would be best to only show one of these options to the average
user. (It would be useful to have some real-world data on which of
these people use most often -- sleep I guess -- and how many people
regularly use both options.
Except the
Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:
IMO it
would be best to only show one of these options to the average user.
(It would be useful to have some real-world data on which of these
people use most often -- sleep I guess -- and how many people regularly
use both options.
Except there's a darn good reaso
Andy Somerville wrote:
I think theres hardly anyone (who doesnt know beforehand) who thinks
the hibernate/sleep functionality is clear. Maybe its been suggested
before, but should we consider renaming these? (regardless of what
other changes are made)
IMO it would be best to only show one of th
> Ok, but then the real question is, then: Do you think it's clear, now? Do
> you think Aunt Tilly understands the difference between hibernation,
> shutdown and sleep? Logout and switch user?
>
>
> It's fantasy to think that icons alone will convey the difference between
> hibernation and suspen
Manu Cornet wrote:
As a matter of fact, I seldom do mere mockups, most of the time I also
write actual patches (and I sent this one to Seb by email along with
those captures) :) Seems like it is on its way to be uploaded soon.
Rock star :-)
Huh, did I misunderstand the meaning of "fac
Eric Feliksik wrote:
Matthew East
wrote:
Just to stick in two more cents, I agree with
mpt: a logout dialogue
that needs explanatory text is _really_ doing something wrong. The
labels and the icons should be clear enough.
Matt
Ok, but then the real quest
Who wrote:
> I think that the new logout dialog (I.E the one with the description)
>
> 1. Is very professional (especially the way it appears when the power
> button is pressed)
I didn't notice that before. It's really nice, but the logout options
shouldn't be there in that case. IMHO, you shoul
Hi !
> > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/dialog.png
> > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/logout.png
> > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/hibernate.png
> Interesting!
>
> I quite like the explanatory text. Daniel, is that easy to factor in?
As a matter of fact, I seldo
On 4/4/06, Petr Tomeš <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2006/4/4, Sandis Neilands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I agree with you. So far i haven't seen any advantage in using
> > ubuntu's custom logout instead of gnome's default. I know this is
> > unpopular but
> > 1) If the new logout doesn't solve more (o
2006/4/4, Sandis Neilands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I agree with you. So far i haven't seen any advantage in using
> ubuntu's custom logout instead of gnome's default. I know this is
> unpopular but
> 1) If the new logout doesn't solve more (or more important) problems
> than it creates or
> 2) we are
Hello!
On 4/4/06, Eric Feliksik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, but then the real question is, then: Do you think it's clear, now?
> Do you think Aunt Tilly understands the difference between hibernation,
> shutdown and sleep? Logout and switch user?
>
> I personally don't think so. So we either
Matthew East wrote:
Just to stick in two more cents, I agree with mpt: a logout dialogue
that needs explanatory text is _really_ doing something wrong. The
labels and the icons should be clear enough.
Matt
Ok, but then the real question is, then: Do you think it's clear, now?
Do you think Au
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 11:48 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> Manu Cornet wrote:
> > Here's a new version of the dialog :
> >
> > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/dialog.png
> > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/logout.png
> > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/hibernate.png
> >
> > * "Log out" as the name of the menu entry is definitely misleading, and
> > we're trying to find the best wording to replace it (suggestions
> > welcome !).
How about 'Leave the Computer'
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Manu Cornet wrote:
Here's a new version of the dialog :
http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/dialog.png
http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/logout.png
http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/hibernate.png
Interesting!
Many people found that the dialog was too large ; therefore, I stack
On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 21:53 +0200, Manu Cornet wrote:
>
> Hi !
>
> Here's a new version of the dialog :
>
> http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/dialog.png
> http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/logout.png
> http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/hibernate.png
>
> Many people fo
Manu Cornet wrote:
* "Log out" as the name of the menu entry is definitely misleading, and
we're trying to find the best wording to replace it (suggestions
welcome !).
If we put them all together, maybe "exit" is the right word. Whether you
lock&leave or log-out, that's up to you. Either you
Manu Cornet wrote:
> About the choice of designing a dialog with 6 or 7 options, I'm not
> the one who decides about this (I'm just trying to make a good layout
> with nice icons and text), but I do think it's a logical choice.
>
> * I believe the main purpose for this multi-option dialog is to le
Hi !
> I think changing the wording of the tooltip of the logout applet would
> help clarify its purpose. Currently it says "Log out of this session
> to log in as a different users" - that doesn't give any hints that it
> contains other, more useful options.
Yes, that's being worked on as well,
On 3/31/06, Manu Cornet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi !
>
> Here's a new version of the dialog :
>
> http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/dialog.png
> http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/logout.png
> http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/hibernate.png
>
> Many people f
Hi !
Here's a new version of the dialog :
http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/dialog.png
http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/logout.png
http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/hibernate.png
Many people found that the dialog was too large ; therefore, I stacked
the help m
On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 12:37 +0200, Eric Feliksik wrote:
> It is late in the release cycle, and chances are the dialog won't/can't
> be changed anymore, but you constructive suggestions are always most
> welcome. (Pointing to the things that are currently bad is ok, but
> suggesting a nicer alter
John Nilsson wrote:
On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 21:13 +0200, Eric Feliksik wrote:
I agree with you that the dialog doesn't "talk by itself". This could be
softened by a help-thing, which is better than nothing. But can we do
something about the problem itself?
Isn't the problem that it tries to do
On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 21:13 +0200, Eric Feliksik wrote:
> I agree with you that the dialog doesn't "talk by itself". This could be
> softened by a help-thing, which is better than nothing. But can we do
> something about the problem itself?
Isn't the problem that it tries to do to much?
It's ca
On 3/30/06, Eric Feliksik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We can to make the dialog "talk by itself" with
> 1) distinctive icons
> 2) naming of options (hibernate, shutdown, reboot)
> 3) subdivision of options (possibly in different dialogs)
> 4) naming the subdivisions
> 5)
6) Profit!
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Jorge Bernal wrote:
On Thursday 30 March 2006 15:23, Eric Feliksik wrote:
You have a point there, but the explanation is not making things
complicated; it's only an acknowledgement of the fact that the *options*
are complicated.
The point is that there are too many options
(...)
Whatever the
On Thursday 30 March 2006 15:23, Eric Feliksik wrote:
> You have a point there, but the explanation is not making things
> complicated; it's only an acknowledgement of the fact that the *options*
> are complicated.
The point is that there are too many options
> That can be changed by either remov
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
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On Mar 27, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Brad Johnson wrote:
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If you wish to have only one help text area, then the layout of the
entire panel should be changed IMHO. Possibly like this example offered
by Øivind Hoel.
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On Mar 27, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Brad Johnson wrote:
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If you wish to have only one help text area, then the layout of the
entire panel should be changed IMHO. Possibly like this example offered
by Øivind Hoel.
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On Sunday 26 March 2006 19:58, Manu Cornet wrote:
> Hi !
>
> Since the UI freeze has been postponed a few weeks, I have made a try at
> enhancing the current logout dialog.
>
> The main idea is that since there are so many options in there, users
> might get lost (eg, what's the difference between
Adam Petaccia wrote:
I think there needs to be consistency with wording on what the key verb
should be. The Log out option doesn't even "log out" in the text, but
the others have "Let your computer %s". I'm in favor of _not_ repeating
the option in the descriptive text, so perhaps hibernate cou
Manu Cornet wrote:
And how do you like this "status label" idea ?
It's great. Thanks to Øivind Hoel for bringing up this idea, and kudos
to you for implementing it!
Sven Jaborek wrote:
Where
can i deactivate sleep/suspend and does this remove the buttons from the
logout dialog? I ask becau
On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 21:35 +0200, Alain Perry wrote:
> 2006/3/26, Manu Cornet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > What do you guys think is the best solution for this ?
>
> Why not always display something ?
> ie: "Run your mouse over a button to get some help on its action." or
> something better worded.
On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 19:58 +0200, Manu Cornet wrote:
>
> Hi !
>
> Since the UI freeze has been postponed a few weeks, I have made a try at
> enhancing the current logout dialog.
>
> The main idea is that since there are so many options in there, users
> might get lost (eg, what's the difference
2006/3/26, Manu Cornet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> What do you guys think is the best solution for this ?
Why not always display something ?
ie: "Run your mouse over a button to get some help on its action." or
something better worded.
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On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 19:58 +0200, Manu Cornet wrote:
>
> What do you guys think is the best solution for this ?
I think there needs to be consistency with wording on what the key verb
should be. The Log out option doesn't even "log out" in the text, but
the others have "Let your computer %s".
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