Re: 12.04 LTS: 64-bit desktop by default?

2012-04-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Alan Bell [2012-04-16 19:26 +0100]: > Have you tried a 64 bit install on a netbook? 64 bit does not work on my Dell Mini 10 (dual-core Atom). This machine is a few years old, of course. I don't consider this a blocker for moving to 64 bit by default, and just add a label like "for computers that a

Re: 12.04 LTS: 64-bit desktop by default?

2012-04-16 Thread Pavel Rojtberg
Am 16.04.2012 23:36, schrieb Scott Ritchie: On 4/16/12 9:25 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: Hi Mike, On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:09:19AM -0400, Michael Terry wrote: On 16/04/12 02:03, Steve Langasek wrote: And regardless of which we decide to use as the default, both of amd64 and i386 will continue

Re: 12.04 LTS: 64-bit desktop by default?

2012-04-16 Thread Alan Bell
Netbooks are less likely to be installed using the CD (no built in optical drive) so if someone does have a 32bit netbook they want to do a fresh install on they still can download the 32 bit iso and put it on USB. Have you tried a 64 bit install on a netbook? Seems fine to me on the netbooks an

Re: New Contributor Feedback - 12.04

2012-04-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, April 16, 2012 04:08:03 PM Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote: ... > The area where we received the most feedback was documentation. While our > existing documentation was quite helpful for some, we heard from even more > contributors who found it wanting. As one goal of the process was to fi

Re: 12.04 LTS: 64-bit desktop by default?

2012-04-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 02:36:32PM -0700, Scott Ritchie wrote: > Unless, of course, we have ambitions of supporting automatic > cross-architecture upgrades by then. I believe we do at some point, although I'm not sure about 14.04 as it's still a fairly complex problem. A lot of it will fall out o

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-Q - Build Prioritization

2012-04-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 02:51:47PM -0700, Scott Ritchie wrote: > Archive skew is even more pernicious: it can make packages with > cross-architecture dependencies (notably Wine) completely > uninstallable. Now that multiarch is a thing this will be an > increasing problem for anyone testing a deve

Re: 12.04 LTS: 64-bit desktop by default?

2012-04-16 Thread Kees Cook
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:03:14PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Are there problems that we've overlooked with regards to shipping 64-bit by > default on the desktop, or is it reasonable to make this switch for 12.04 > LTS? Is there 32-bit binary software that you know about which is not yet > su

Re: New Contributor Feedback - 12.04

2012-04-16 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Montag, den 16.04.2012, 16:08 -0400 schrieb Andrew Starr-Bochicchio: > Over the past development cycle, the Ubuntu Developer Advisory Team > [1] reached out to many new contributors. Thanks for this work and for summing up the results. -- Benjamin Drung Debian & Ubuntu Developer signature.a

Re: 12.04 LTS: 64-bit desktop by default?

2012-04-16 Thread Kees Cook
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 02:36:32PM -0700, Scott Ritchie wrote: > On 4/16/12 9:25 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: > >On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:09:19AM -0400, Michael Terry wrote: > >>On 16/04/12 02:03, Steve Langasek wrote: > >>>And regardless of which we decide to use as the default, both of amd64 and >

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-Q - Build Prioritization

2012-04-16 Thread Scott Ritchie
On 4/13/12 7:22 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: I won't be at UDS, so if this is of interest to someone, I would really like it if someone who is would take the ball and run with it. Currently build sequence on the buildds is determined (primarily) by a combination of pocket and component: https://h

Re: 12.04 LTS: 64-bit desktop by default?

2012-04-16 Thread Scott Ritchie
On 4/16/12 9:25 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: Hi Mike, On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:09:19AM -0400, Michael Terry wrote: On 16/04/12 02:03, Steve Langasek wrote: And regardless of which we decide to use as the default, both of amd64 and i386 will continue to be supported architectures for the length

New Contributor Feedback - 12.04

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew Starr-Bochicchio
Over the past development cycle, the Ubuntu Developer Advisory Team [1] reached out to many new contributors. As part of that work, we solicited feedback about our development process. We have summarized this feedback in the attached report. It is our hope that it will help drive further discussion

Re: 12.04 LTS: 64-bit desktop by default?

2012-04-16 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Mike, On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:09:19AM -0400, Michael Terry wrote: > On 16/04/12 02:03, Steve Langasek wrote: > >And regardless of which we decide to use as the default, both of amd64 and > >i386 will continue to be supported architectures for the length of 12.04 LTS > >and will remain availa

Re: 12.04 LTS: 64-bit desktop by default?

2012-04-16 Thread Michael Terry
On 16/04/12 02:03, Steve Langasek wrote: And regardless of which we decide to use as the default, both of amd64 and i386 will continue to be supported architectures for the length of 12.04 LTS and will remain available for download. There seems to be an unstated assumption that the default reco

Re: 12.04 LTS: 64-bit desktop by default?

2012-04-16 Thread Alan Bell
As a LoCo contact who distributes the CDs I would be very pleased if they were the 64bit image that I normally recommend people download and use. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu

Re: 12.04 LTS: 64-bit desktop by default?

2012-04-16 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 16 April 2012 10:14, Chase Douglas wrote: > On 04/15/2012 11:03 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> Back at last UDS in November, we discussed whether it was time to switch to >> presenting 64-bit images as the default image for desktop, like they already >> are for server, now that al

Re: 12.04 LTS: 64-bit desktop by default?

2012-04-16 Thread Chase Douglas
On 04/15/2012 11:03 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi folks, > > Back at last UDS in November, we discussed whether it was time to switch to > presenting 64-bit images as the default image for desktop, like they already > are for server, now that all new desktop hardware is 64-bit and multiarch is >

Patch pilot report [2012-04-16]

2012-04-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Due to final freeze a lot of stuff is not appropriate for upload any more, but I got some forwarding, universe updates, and cleanup done: wicd (#981001): sync fcitx (#980773): needs testing in precise ibus-hangul (#980349): needs justification and testing in precise feel++ (#973782) sync: wontfix

Re: There is a null point bug in kernel ocfs2 module.

2012-04-16 Thread Stefan Bader
On 16.04.2012 10:50, Chang Limin wrote: > Version 12.04 beta-2 > Refer to http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.ocfs2.devel/7766 > > --- a/fs/ocfs2/file.c > > +++ b/fs/ocfs2/file.c > > @@ -2012,7 +2012,7 @@ static long ocfs2_fallocate(struct file *file, int > mode, loff_t offset, >

There is a null point bug in kernel ocfs2 module.

2012-04-16 Thread Chang Limin
Version 12.04 beta-2 Refer to http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.ocfs2.devel/7766 --- a/fs/ocfs2/file.c +++ b/fs/ocfs2/file.c @@ -2012,7 +2012,7 @@ static long ocfs2_fallocate(struct file *file, int mode, loff_t offset, sr.l_start = (s64)offset; sr.l_len = (s64)

Re: 12.04 LTS: 64-bit desktop by default?

2012-04-16 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
On 04/15/2012 11:03 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: Hi folks, Back at last UDS in November, we discussed whether it was time to switch to presenting 64-bit images as the default image for desktop, like they already are for server, now that all new desktop hardware is 64-bit and multiarch is a reality.