Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without "freezing"

2012-06-15 Thread Nicholas Skaggs
On 06/15/2012 11:19 AM, Stéphane Graber wrote: On 06/15/2012 10:46 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Friday, June 15, 2012 10:28:55 AM Stéphane Graber wrote: On 06/15/2012 10:12 AM, Rick Spencer wrote: Hello all, At UDS I had some "hallway discussions" about why we freeze for Alphas and Betas, an

Re: Patch Pilot Report 20120615

2012-06-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from James Page's message of 2012-06-15 05:57:41 -0700: > Hi Daniel > > On 15/06/12 13:31, Daniel Holbach wrote: > > On 15.06.2012 14:08, James Page wrote: > >>> SRU's which have been uploaded but not accepted are hard to > >>> differentiate on the report - they don't require any further

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without "freezing"

2012-06-15 Thread Robbie Williamson
On 06/15/2012 10:26 AM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Le 15/06/2012 17:05, Scott Kitterman a écrit : >> I don't think you get to have it both ways. Either we stabilize an >> image and >> put a stamp on it and we need some kind of freeze or we don't. Trying >> to let >> developers continue to do their

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without "freezing"

2012-06-15 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 15/06/2012 17:05, Scott Kitterman a écrit : I don't think you get to have it both ways. Either we stabilize an image and put a stamp on it and we need some kind of freeze or we don't. Trying to let developers continue to do their work while ignoring the milestone just pushes the problem of g

Re: Kubuntu and main/universe

2012-06-15 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 11:52:20AM +0100, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > I think the practicalities of it are Colin running change-override > lots and updating livefs and cdimage to use universe. This is now done. Source packages moved to universe in their entirety: amarok analitza ark avogad

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without "freezing"

2012-06-15 Thread Stéphane Graber
On 06/15/2012 10:46 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Friday, June 15, 2012 10:28:55 AM Stéphane Graber wrote: >> On 06/15/2012 10:12 AM, Rick Spencer wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> At UDS I had some "hallway discussions" about why we freeze for Alphas >>> and Betas, and the fact that I think it is ti

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without "freezing"

2012-06-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, June 15, 2012 04:57:57 PM Rick Spencer wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Friday, June 15, 2012 04:41:51 PM Rick Spencer wrote: > > ... > > > >> The essential point is, Ubuntu should be good every day. There should > >> be nothing special about an

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without "freezing"

2012-06-15 Thread Rick Spencer
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Friday, June 15, 2012 04:41:51 PM Rick Spencer wrote: > ... >> The essential point is, Ubuntu should be good every day. There should >> be nothing special about an alpha or beta, it's simply the daily image >> on some chosen day. Making

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without "freezing"

2012-06-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, June 15, 2012 04:41:51 PM Rick Spencer wrote: ... > The essential point is, Ubuntu should be good every day. There should > be nothing special about an alpha or beta, it's simply the daily image > on some chosen day. Making them special doesn't buy us anything, but > has costs. ... Then

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without "freezing"

2012-06-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, June 15, 2012 10:28:55 AM Stéphane Graber wrote: > On 06/15/2012 10:12 AM, Rick Spencer wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > At UDS I had some "hallway discussions" about why we freeze for Alphas > > and Betas, and the fact that I think it is time to drop this practice > > and rather focus on

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without "freezing"

2012-06-15 Thread Rick Spencer
>> Cheers, Rick > > Hi Rick, > > We certainly want to allow people to upload stuff to -proposed during a > milestone week, but I don't agree that we should automatically copy from > -proposed to the release pocket during a milestone week. > > We usually try to release all our images with the same v

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without "freezing"

2012-06-15 Thread Stéphane Graber
On 06/15/2012 10:12 AM, Rick Spencer wrote: > Hello all, > > At UDS I had some "hallway discussions" about why we freeze for Alphas > and Betas, and the fact that I think it is time to drop this practice > and rather focus on making Ubuntu good quality each day. Sadly, there > was no session on th

Releasing Alphas and Betas without "freezing"

2012-06-15 Thread Rick Spencer
Hello all, At UDS I had some "hallway discussions" about why we freeze for Alphas and Betas, and the fact that I think it is time to drop this practice and rather focus on making Ubuntu good quality each day. Sadly, there was no session on this, thus this email to this list for discussion. I thin

Re: Patch Pilot Report 20120615

2012-06-15 Thread James Page
Hi Daniel On 15/06/12 13:31, Daniel Holbach wrote: > On 15.06.2012 14:08, James Page wrote: >>> SRU's which have been uploaded but not accepted are hard to >>> differentiate on the report - they don't require any further >>> sponsor action so it would be good to be able to filter those >>> out if

Re: Patch Pilot Report 20120615

2012-06-15 Thread Daniel Holbach
Hello, On 15.06.2012 14:08, James Page wrote: > SRU's which have been uploaded but not accepted are hard to > differentiate on the report - they don't require any further sponsor > action so it would be good to be able to filter those out if possible. That's a good point. I usually set the bug to

Patch Pilot Report 20120615

2012-06-15 Thread James Page
Report for my patch piloting today: https://code.launchpad.net/~veger/ubuntu/quantal/jsch/fix-for-803492-v2/+merge/104706 - Made minor tweak to OSGi manifest for new upstream release and uploaded. https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/ubuntu/precise/openldap/proposed-rebuild/+merge/104814 -