Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-27 Thread Iain Lane
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 08:54:00PM +0200, Michael Bienia wrote: > On 2011-07-25 16:11:43 +0100, Iain Lane wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 05:01:35PM +0200, Daniel Holbach wrote: > > > I agree that the name is misleading and it's unfortunate that it > > > confuses applicants. It'd be good to chan

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
Mackenzie Morgan wrote: >On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Michael Bienia >wrote: >> I'm for a name change but only if it makes things more clear and >easier >> to understand. But I disagree on "Ubuntu Development Members" as it's >> too easy to mix it up with "Ubuntu Developers". If applicants

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-26 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Michael Bienia wrote: > I'm for a name change but only if it makes things more clear and easier > to understand. But I disagree on "Ubuntu Development Members" as it's > too easy to mix it up with "Ubuntu Developers". If applicants assume > they get upload rights w

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-26 Thread Michael Bienia
On 2011-07-25 16:11:43 +0100, Iain Lane wrote: > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 05:01:35PM +0200, Daniel Holbach wrote: > > I agree that the name is misleading and it's unfortunate that it > > confuses applicants. It'd be good to change it something sensible. Even > > if we just change it in the documenta

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-26 Thread Michael Bienia
On 2011-07-25 22:58:10 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On 25 July 2011 07:45, Benjamin Drung wrote: > > I would recommend people to apply for 'Ubuntu Contributing Developer' > > before applying for MOTU or core-dev. > > I disagree with your recommendation. I recently got my Ubuntu > membership throu

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-26 Thread Michael Bienia
On 2011-07-25 07:51:17 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > I think it's a fair point that UCD is confusing. What it means is "Ubuntu > member that got their membership based on development contribution and not > some other kind". Do we really need a different name for this? It might be > more cle

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-26 Thread Michael Bienia
On 2011-07-25 14:48:38 -0500, Micah Gersten wrote: > On 07/25/2011 02:05 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > Package set members having exclusive lock on packages is something that has > > been discussed, but AIUI (except for packagesets corresponding to Main) > > there > > are no such restrictive pa

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-26 Thread Andrew Starr-Bochicchio
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:06 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > I don't see how gaining this extra title encourages additional > involvement. Maybe if the title meant something... In my experience, people like to have their contributions acknowledged. And yes, it doesn't mean much now. I readily admitted

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-26 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 02:41:29PM -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > > At UDS for Karmic (Barcelona) we had a session that defined the current > > state > > of things.  We discussed renaming MOTU and decided against it.  IMO this > > sort > > of "Oh, it's different now ..." "MOTU will need to be r

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-26 Thread Iain Lane
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 04:06:16AM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On 26 July 2011 03:27, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > > Why should I go through the bother of becoming an UCD as a > prerequisite to further development privileges and resp

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-26 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 26 July 2011 03:27, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote: > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >> >> I disagree with your recommendation. I recently got my Ubuntu >> membership through the Regional Boards and it turns out I was a good >> candidate for the Ubuntu Contributing Develo

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-26 Thread Andrew Starr-Bochicchio
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > > I disagree with your recommendation. I recently got my Ubuntu > membership through the Regional Boards and it turns out I was a good > candidate for the Ubuntu Contributing Developer (UCD) route which I > had actually not heard of yet. UCD

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 25 July 2011 07:45, Benjamin Drung wrote: > Am Montag, den 25.07.2011, 13:01 +0200 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: >> On 22.07.2011 10:41, Daniel Holbach wrote: >> > = Development Processes = >> >> >  (2) developer application docs: >> >      - too complicated, >> >      - unclear expectations >> >

Re: packageset restrictions and archive reorg (was: Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu")

2011-07-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, July 25, 2011 04:52:42 PM Micah Gersten wrote: > On 07/25/2011 03:46 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Monday, July 25, 2011 03:48:38 PM Micah Gersten wrote: > >> On 07/25/2011 02:05 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >>> On Monday, July 25, 2011 02:41:29 PM Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > >>> ... >

packageset restrictions and archive reorg (was: Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu")

2011-07-25 Thread Micah Gersten
On 07/25/2011 03:46 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, July 25, 2011 03:48:38 PM Micah Gersten wrote: >> On 07/25/2011 02:05 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: >>> On Monday, July 25, 2011 02:41:29 PM Mackenzie Morgan wrote: >>> ... >>> There was a discussion about it on IRC last week starting at

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, July 25, 2011 03:48:38 PM Micah Gersten wrote: > On 07/25/2011 02:05 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Monday, July 25, 2011 02:41:29 PM Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > > ... > > > >> There was a discussion about it on IRC last week starting at > >> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/07/18/%23ubu

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Micah Gersten
On 07/25/2011 02:05 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, July 25, 2011 02:41:29 PM Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > ... >> There was a discussion about it on IRC last week starting at >> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/07/18/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t20:43 >> >> In particular, this is the part about whether

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, July 25, 2011 02:41:29 PM Mackenzie Morgan wrote: ... > There was a discussion about it on IRC last week starting at > http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/07/18/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t20:43 > > In particular, this is the part about whether MOTU can or can't touch > packages in package sets...

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, July 25, 2011 12:42:49 PM Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > ... >> I agree that it is confusing, but I don't think it has to be. The >> ArchiveReorganisation[1] wiki page hasn't been edited in the last 2 >> years and it has

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, July 25, 2011 12:42:49 PM Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: ... > I agree that it is confusing, but I don't think it has to be. The > ArchiveReorganisation[1] wiki page hasn't been edited in the last 2 > years and it hasn't been revisited at UDS. The process is effectively > stalled f

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
On 25/07/11 11:38 AM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) > wrote: >> I come across this on a weekly basis and I don't know where it's coming >> from. I have people at work who fix things all the time and upload it to >> PPAs and when I ask the

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, July 25, 2011 11:34:47 AM Mackenzie Morgan wrote: >> There is only one difference between UCD and any other Ubuntu Member: >> UCD can vote in new-DMB elections and in theory vote if there's ever a >> technical decision put to a

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Iain Lane
Hiya, On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:59:08AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, July 25, 2011 11:34:47 AM Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Scott Kitterman > wrote: > > > I think it's a fair point that UCD is confusing. What it means is > > > "Ubuntu member that g

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, July 25, 2011 11:34:47 AM Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > I think it's a fair point that UCD is confusing. What it means is > > "Ubuntu member that got their membership based on development > > contribution and not some other kind"

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, July 25, 2011 11:33:52 AM Daniel Holbach wrote: > Hello, > > Am 25.07.2011 17:26, schrieb Scott Kitterman: > > The DMB is somewhat different than the other non-RMB membership boards > > because the DMB grants membership based on type of contribution > > (development) rather than area of

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > I come across this on a weekly basis and I don't know where it's coming > from. I have people at work who fix things all the time and upload it to > PPAs and when I ask them why they don't become MOTU so that they can fix > i

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > I think it's a fair point that UCD is confusing.  What it means is "Ubuntu > member that got their membership based on development contribution and not > some other kind".  Do we really need a different name for this?  It might be > more cl

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Daniel Holbach
Hello, Am 25.07.2011 17:26, schrieb Scott Kitterman: > The DMB is somewhat different than the other non-RMB membership boards > because > the DMB grants membership based on type of contribution (development) rather > than area of contribution (Kubuntu/Edubuntu/etc), so I would not feel > const

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, July 25, 2011 11:11:43 AM Iain Lane wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 05:01:35PM +0200, Daniel Holbach wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > > > Am 25.07.2011 13:51, schrieb Scott Kitterman: > > > On Monday, July 25, 2011 07:45:50 AM Benjamin Drung wrote: > > >> Am Montag, den 25.0

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
On 25/07/11 10:42 AM, Iain Lane wrote: >> Amounts of want-to-be-ubuntu-developer levels and their names are >> misleading. I wanted to get rights to directly upload my packages and >> when I discussed it with few developers I was told to apply for 'Ubuntu >> Contributing Developer' (plus some text

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Iain Lane
Hello, On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 05:01:35PM +0200, Daniel Holbach wrote: > Hello everybody, > > Am 25.07.2011 13:51, schrieb Scott Kitterman: > > On Monday, July 25, 2011 07:45:50 AM Benjamin Drung wrote: > >> Am Montag, den 25.07.2011, 13:01 +0200 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: > >>> On 22.07.2011 10

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Daniel Holbach
Hello everybody, Am 25.07.2011 13:51, schrieb Scott Kitterman: > On Monday, July 25, 2011 07:45:50 AM Benjamin Drung wrote: >> Am Montag, den 25.07.2011, 13:01 +0200 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: >>> On 22.07.2011 10:41, Daniel Holbach wrote: = Development Processes = (2) developer a

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Iain Lane
Hi there, On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 01:01:39PM +0200, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > On 22.07.2011 10:41, Daniel Holbach wrote: > > = Development Processes = > > > (2) developer application docs: > > - too complicated, > > - unclear expectations > > Amounts of want-to-be-ubuntu-developer l

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Luke Faraone
On 07/25/2011 10:35 AM, Iain Lane wrote: > I just updated that page a bit. It's probably not clear enough that > UCD is 'just' Ubuntu Membership granted by the DMB. Please help me > out by finding a way to clarify this. It would be clear if we just called it "Ubuntu Membership", rather than having

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Iain Lane
Hello, On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 04:10:37PM +0200, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > On 25.07.2011 13:51, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >>> So I applied and (after ~6 weeks) during UDS-O DMB's meeting I got it. > >>> > > Just to understand that what I really needed was 'Per Package > >>> > > Uploader' > >>> >

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
On 25.07.2011 13:51, Scott Kitterman wrote: >>> So I applied and (after ~6 weeks) during UDS-O DMB's meeting I got it. >>> > > Just to understand that what I really needed was 'Per Package Uploader' >>> > > level. So it edited my wiki page and applied again. Today I would >>> > > totally skip first

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, July 25, 2011 07:45:50 AM Benjamin Drung wrote: > Am Montag, den 25.07.2011, 13:01 +0200 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: > > On 22.07.2011 10:41, Daniel Holbach wrote: > > > = Development Processes = > > > > > > (2) developer application docs: > > > - too complicated, > > > - unc

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Montag, den 25.07.2011, 13:01 +0200 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: > On 22.07.2011 10:41, Daniel Holbach wrote: > > = Development Processes = > > > (2) developer application docs: > > - too complicated, > > - unclear expectations > > Amounts of want-to-be-ubuntu-developer levels and th

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-25 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
On 22.07.2011 10:41, Daniel Holbach wrote: > = Development Processes = > (2) developer application docs: > - too complicated, > - unclear expectations Amounts of want-to-be-ubuntu-developer levels and their names are misleading. I wanted to get rights to directly upload my packages and

Re: "What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-23 Thread David Henningsson
On 2011-07-22 10:41, Daniel Holbach wrote: Hello everybody, for a while we've had a section in Ubuntu developer applications [1] which was named "what I like least in Ubuntu". This is very valuable feedback, since it comes from (relatively) new contributors who don't have

"What I like least in Ubuntu"

2011-07-22 Thread Daniel Holbach
Hello everybody, for a while we've had a section in Ubuntu developer applications [1] which was named "what I like least in Ubuntu". This is very valuable feedback, since it comes from (relatively) new contributors who don't have gotten used to warts and shortcomings in the d