Re: Reasons Why Jaunty Will Not Ship With 2.6.29

2009-02-12 Thread Andy Rogers
This is most likely simply a difference between *your* 2.6.29 config and the Ubuntu 2.6.28 one - I expect you compiled in many of the drivers your computer needed, and omitted those you didn't If you used our config, and just tweaked where necessary, I'd be very interested to see comparative

Re: [rfc] boot-time async readahead...

2009-02-12 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello all, Daniel J Blueman [2009-02-12 0:57 +]: By modifying the boot-time readahead to be at lower I/O and processor priority than the boot scripts and asynchronous, I see a 20% reduction in overall boot time (from installing bootchart) on my desktop: 41s down to 33s. I tried it on my

Re: [rfc] boot-time async readahead...

2009-02-12 Thread Martin Pitt
Martin Pitt [2009-02-12 10:09 +0100]: Thus the parallelize RA makes things slightly worse to me. I I forgot, I put my bootcharts at http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/bootchart-parallel-readahead/ -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com)

Re: [rfc] boot-time async readahead...

2009-02-12 Thread Daniel J Blueman
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote: Daniel J Blueman [2009-02-12 0:57 +]: By modifying the boot-time readahead to be at lower I/O and processor priority than the boot scripts and asynchronous, I see a 20% reduction in overall boot time (from

Re: improving compiled modules of kernel - per-user (was Reasons Why Jaunty Will Not Ship With 2.6.29)

2009-02-12 Thread (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo
Olá Scott e a todos. On Thursday 12 February 2009 00:17:51 Scott James Remnant wrote: This is most likely simply a difference between *your* 2.6.29 config and the Ubuntu 2.6.28 one - I expect you compiled in many of the drivers your computer needed, and omitted those you didn't Hope I dont

Re: [rfc] boot-time async readahead...

2009-02-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 00:44 -0500, John Moser wrote: On 2/11/09, Daniel J Blueman daniel.blue...@gmail.com wrote: By modifying the boot-time readahead to be at lower I/O and processor priority than the boot scripts and asynchronous, I see a 20% reduction in overall boot time (from

Re: improving compiled modules of kernel - per-user (was Reasons Why Jaunty Will Not Ship With 2.6.29)

2009-02-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 11:15 +, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote: On Thursday 12 February 2009 00:17:51 Scott James Remnant wrote: This is most likely simply a difference between *your* 2.6.29 config and the Ubuntu 2.6.28 one - I expect you compiled in many of the drivers your computer

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread Mike Jones
Hi Thomas, I'm one of those users who would prefer that the C-A-B command be left as it is, or be modified to allow the ability through some other interface: such as twice successive. I have filed several bug reports about issues related to problems with X,

[strawman] Make Launchpad Extract Patches

2009-02-12 Thread Joseph Smidt
Hi, I would post this to a launchpad devel list, but I didn't see one. I think many people, especially upstream, would be benefited if Launchpad would provide download links to patches in addition to the orig tarball, .dsc and .diff. It is much harder digging through those files

Re: [strawman] Make Launchpad Extract Patches

2009-02-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 09:49 -0800, Joseph Smidt wrote: I think many people, especially upstream, would be benefited if Launchpad would provide download links to patches in addition to the orig tarball, .dsc and .diff. It is much harder digging through those files to search for patches then

Re: [strawman] Make Launchpad Extract Patches

2009-02-12 Thread Joseph Smidt
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Scott James Remnant sc...@canonical.com wrote: In the meantime, you can obtain these from: http://patches.ubuntu.com/ In particular: http://patches.ubuntu.com/by-release/extracted/ubuntu/ Scott, Thank you, I know in the meantime people can

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread Evan
From what I understand, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace isn't the only way to kill X. Alt-Sysrq-k also works, and is still enabled, as it is significantly less likely to be hit by accident. I don't really see what all the fuss is about? People who know what they're doing can still kill X if necessary, and

RE: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-12 Thread Mike Jones
Evan, Now, I didn't know that the Alt-Sysrq-k shortcut existed previously. If the C-A-B shortcut is being disabled because Alt-Sysrq-k does the exact same thing with simply a different key combination, then I have no objection at all to disabling C-A-B. Its true that its easy to hit if your

Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-12 Thread Remco
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Mike Jones eternal...@gmail.com wrote:     In light of that new info, I would say all of my objections are handled quite nicely by Alt-Sysrq-k. I haven't tried it out yet, but I agree that this new A-S-K combination would be a good replacement. Now we only need

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:17:30 -0500 Evan eapa...@gmail.com wrote: From what I understand, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace isn't the only way to kill X. Alt-Sysrq-k also works, and is still enabled, as it is significantly less likely to be hit by accident. ... for some definition of works and not on all

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread Thomas Jaeger
This is not a healthy discussion. We have people claiming that they can't live without C-A-B, yet they're unable to come up with any *concrete* situations where they need it. I don't doubt that these issues exist, but my guess is that in most of those cases, C-A-B is the wrong way to go about

Re: hwclock delaying boot...

2009-02-12 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:16:48PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 06:54 -0700, LaMont Jones wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:18:09AM +, Daniel J Blueman wrote: Boot-charting jaunty-A3 [1] on my SSD system, we see both the 'hwclockfirst.sh' and 'hwclock.sh'

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread Remco
Every program that hangs but doesn't release grabs is a problem. You could certainly implement some kind of solution to that, but only after that solution is implemented, C-A-B or equivalents should be disabled. Not before. Every program that makes the system so slow that it becomes unusable is a

Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-12 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 22:41 +0100, Remco wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Mike Jones eternal...@gmail.com wrote: In light of that new info, I would say all of my objections are handled quite nicely by Alt-Sysrq-k. I haven't tried it out yet, but I agree that this new A-S-K

Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-12 Thread Remco
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 22:41 +0100, Remco wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Mike Jones eternal...@gmail.com wrote:     In light of that new info, I would say all of my objections are handled quite nicely by

Re: hwclock delaying boot...

2009-02-12 Thread Daniel J Blueman
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@pov.lt wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:16:48PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 06:54 -0700, LaMont Jones wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:18:09AM +, Daniel J Blueman wrote: Boot-charting jaunty-A3 [1] on

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread John Moser
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Jaeger thjae...@gmail.com wrote: This is not a healthy discussion. We have people claiming that they can't live without C-A-B, yet they're unable to come up with any *concrete* situations where they need it. I don't doubt that these issues exist, but

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread Thomas Jaeger
Remco wrote: Every program that hangs but doesn't release grabs is a problem. You could certainly implement some kind of solution to that, but only after that solution is implemented, C-A-B or equivalents should be disabled. Not before. I know that this is possible, but the question is how

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread Dotan Cohen
This is not a healthy discussion. We have people claiming that they can't live without C-A-B, yet they're unable to come up with any *concrete* situations where they need it. Compiz always crashes on me, and I need CAB to get back to something. Yes, it is a workaround because of another bug,

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread Remco
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Thomas Jaeger thjae...@gmail.com wrote: I know that this is possible, but the question is how common this situation is. Apparently it's pretty common, as some people use C-A-B every week. I don't use it quite that much, but I don't want it to go away. You don't

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread Mike Jones
snipNo. What surprises me is when people are fine with those bugs as long as there is a quick way to kill the X server that is enabled by default. /snip People do file bugs. Perhaps not everyone, and perhaps not every time. Well, then it shouldn't be too difficult to come up with a

Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread Charlie Kravetz
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:16:02 -0500 Mike Jones eternal...@gmail.com wrote: snipNo. What surprises me is when people are fine with those bugs as long as there is a quick way to kill the X server that is enabled by default. /snip People do file bugs. Perhaps not everyone,

Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread John Moser
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com wrote: Okay, I have been reading this thread from the beginning. It seems like those making the most noise are the same individuals with the knowledge and ability to easily add the ability to use C-A-B back. Why should

Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread Onno Benschop
On 13/02/09 10:41, Charlie Kravetz wrote: Okay, I have been reading this thread from the beginning. It seems like those making the most noise are the same individuals with the knowledge and ability to easily add the ability to use C-A-B back. Why should the thousands who do not need the

Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread Remco
And please don't talk about people making noise. That gets us nowhere. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss

Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-12 Thread Remco
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: And please don't talk about people making noise. That gets us nowhere. Remco That was not supposed to be the only contents of my mail. The people who are against the removal of C-A-B or equivalents think that Ubuntu would be