Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Stephan Hermann
Good Morning, On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:36:29 -0400 Mark Fink mpf...@gmail.com wrote: [...removed totally annoying article...] As I'm not a MONO Fanboy myself...and sometimes boycott novell does write good articles...but please... Mono gives us a good way into the MS front...this could also be a

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Mark Fink
as benfrank said yesterday on boycottnovell: The solution seems obvious and easy: don’t make Mono or Mono apps part of the default install. Leave them in the repos for the users who want them. Easy as falling over. Not wanting to even discuss such a simple solution makes it credible that Ubuntu

RE: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread David Schlesinger
you sound like a typical M$ appologist. do you sleep well at night? hope they are paying you well. Clearly Mark doesn't understand the meaning of the phrase personal attack... Physician, heal thyself. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Luke L
This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Remcoremc...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 08 June 2009 7:49:32 am Mark Fink wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Monday 08 June 2009 9:39:31 am Mark Fink wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote: Instead of whinging, why don't you write BETTER replacements for those applications in C, if it bothers you so much? Whinging is simply not constructive. people

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Mark Fink
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Remcoremc...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Luke Llukehasnon...@gmail.com wrote: This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard. Who is trolling me? I think Mark Fink can use some communication skills, but he has a certain point somewhere deep

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Monday 08 June 2009 10:00:27 am Mark Fink wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Remcoremc...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Luke Llukehasnon...@gmail.com wrote: This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard. Who is trolling me? I think Mark Fink can use some

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Derek Broughton
Mackenzie Morgan wrote: Jo is a nice fellow, met him at UDS. Didn't seem very much to be infiltrating...more like sitting around being cheerful and chatting with whatever folks sat down. Oh sure. That's what he _wants_ you to think -- derek -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Remco
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I misunderstand why the term application framework is any better than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I think it'd be extremely difficult for Microsoft to try to argue that .NET is older

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Monday 08 June 2009 10:55:32 am Remco wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote: And in using Flash, we're Adobe technology users (even if, like I do, you use swfdec instead of Adobe's plugin). Sometimes pragmatism is needed to gain enough users for

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Nicolò Chieffo
This is clearly a not invented here syndrome. please read wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here I'm a software engineer, I personally tried both java and .net (I don't like python very much because it's easy to get things out of control) I don't care where a technology is

Re: Boot Performance Targets for Karmic and +1

2009-06-08 Thread Mario Limonciello
Hi Scott: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:07, Scott James Remnant sc...@canonical.comwrote: [0] sharp-eyed readers will know this has just been end-of-lifed; we have yet to decide whether to change the platform as a result - a possibility is to use the Dell Mini 10v which should give

a recent maxima / wxmaxima version

2009-06-08 Thread Nagy Viktor
hi, I would like to see a recent maxima/wxmaxima version to be added to a (still open) repo the latest maxima version is 5.17: http://maxima.sourceforge.net/ the latest in ANY of the repos is 5.13 http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=maxima the Debian package of 5.17 installs and runs

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Monday 08 June 2009 11:35:15 am Remco wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC, video is: 1) only in HTML5, not XHTML Which is irrelevant. Nobody uses XHTML. The kind of fake XHTML that some web designers use can use video without problem.

Re: The awesome software sources adding feature

2009-06-08 Thread Conrad Knauer
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Vincenzo Cianciacian...@di.unipi.it wrote: That was awesome. Why haven't I seen the functionality used before? Install directions with repositories involved look completely hostile right now, but this resolves the issue perfectly. The functionality of saving

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Derek Broughton
Remco wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I misunderstand why the term application framework is any better than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I think it'd be extremely difficult for Microsoft to try to argue that

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Derek Broughton
Nicolò Chieffo wrote: This is clearly a not invented here syndrome. please read wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here I'm a software engineer, I personally tried both java and .net (I don't like python very much because it's easy to get things out of control) I don't

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Remco
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Remco wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I misunderstand why the term application framework is any better than a pile of libraries and languages that work together,

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Paige Thompson
Someone from Access chimed in on this one, glad he's getting paid to dick around like this. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Remco wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Paige Thompson
well _sir_, I just cant help _but_ notice _that_ you are all_acting douchebags--_and_ I thought _I_ might _make_ that obser_vation_. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM, David Schlesinger david.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote: Someone from Access chimed in on this one, glad he's getting paid

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Derek Broughton
Remco wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Remco wrote: We're still being a Microsoft technology user, which is what Mark Shuttleworth didn't want, and is the reason why Wine is not included in Ubuntu. It's not? When did that happen? $

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Derek Broughton
Remco wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote: As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You were completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument meaningless. The appropriate response at that point is

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Christopher Chan
Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: sorry stephan for getting this twice, didn't hit reply-to-mailinglist Oh well...in the 80ties/90ties when Java was invented and was used by more people then Turbo Pascal in no time, I said the same...It was closed source, and had too much of Sun in it..

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Remco
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:17 AM, David Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote: Basically, it just needs the same love as Mono. One thing I think I can state with certainty about free and open source software development is that demanding that a bunch of other folks drop what

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Derek Broughton
Remco wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Remco wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote: As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You were completely mistaken

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Remco
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Remco wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Remco wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote: As Derek pointed

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Paige Thompson
I sorry, just wanted to be a part of the lols On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Remco wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Remco wrote:

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Onno Benschop
As a reader of this list I have to confess that the tone of the emails being sent appear to have degenerated into name calling and I have to confess that I'm not particularly interested to spend my voluntary spare time reading messages between people abusing one another. Perhaps I'm naive in

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread John McCabe-Dansted
2009/6/9 Derek Broughton de...@pointerstop.ca Sorry, but no. You are pretending to have a rational discussion, while dismissing perfectly valid arguments. The codecs are not-in-Ubuntu the same way as Wine, because they are not installed, No, they are not. The codecs are NOT in Ubuntu

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-08 Thread Christopher Chan
Perhaps I'm naive in thinking that a technical argument can be had in a civilised tone. Ah, but you see...these are NOT technical arguments. These are about 'standards'. Can there really be a technical argument between using say the metric system versus the foot/yard or the