Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Kevin Fries
For a long time, I used to use Fedora exclusively. The cleaner more user friendly Ubuntu desktop has been much better for me as a consultant in every way sans one. Remote update between versions. Here is how I would do this in Fedora: First I would go to a server, and dump the contents of the c

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Chris Warburton
I find that Debian is the most consistent through upgrades, if no strange customisations have been made then "apt-get dist-upgrade" can go from version to version no problem. Ubuntu introduces some issues with this that makes the update manager and metapackages like ubuntu-desktop needed. I have p

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Freitag, den 14.09.2007, 10:43 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fries: > The version upgrade process from one version of Ubuntu to another has > been troublesome for the most part. I am beginning to trust it less and > less. did you use the update-manager way [1] as we recommend for that or plain apt-

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Kevin Fries
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 19:20 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > hi, > Am Freitag, den 14.09.2007, 10:43 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fries: > > The version upgrade process from one version of Ubuntu to another has > > been troublesome for the most part. I am beginning to trust it less and > > less. > did you

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Kevin Fries
Chris, You are right, but the problem is actually at the core of the DEB/APT system. It will not get fixed any time soon. And for the record, RPM is not any better, it suffers from the same problem. The core of the issue stems from the fact that software exists in a n-dimension matrix. This ma

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Alexandre Strube
2007/9/14, Kevin Fries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: The easiest way around the problem is a fresh install. The problem is > Debian (and thus Ubuntu) does not make this easy. I feel that stealing > the reinstall procedures from Fedora could resolve this problem without > resorting to overhauling the APT

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Michael R. Head
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 12:33 -0600, Kevin Fries wrote: > Chris, > > You are right, but the problem is actually at the core of the DEB/APT > system. It will not get fixed any time soon. And for the record, RPM > is not any better, it suffers from the same problem. > > The core of the issue stems

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Phillip Susi
Kevin Fries wrote: > For a long time, I used to use Fedora exclusively. The cleaner more > user friendly Ubuntu desktop has been much better for me as a consultant > in every way sans one. Remote update between versions. > > Here is how I would do this in Fedora: > Step nine, I would wait for

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Soren Hansen
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 10:43:32AM -0600, Kevin Fries wrote: > Here is how I would do this in Fedora: [... snip a bunch of deep dark Fedora magic ...] > The version upgrade process from one version of Ubuntu to another has > been troublesome for the most part. Are you really serious? "do-release