Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

2010-08-18 Thread Martin Owens
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 01:17 -0400, Andy Watson wrote: If you want to make money, sell it. If you want contributors, focus on people that will contribute. Ah, do you equate selling with proprietary? Another maddening myth that seems to be put about far too often to dull the understanding of

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

2010-08-18 Thread Andy Watson
Do you actively contribute to preventing global warming? Saving endangered animals? Saving historic building from demolition? Feed stray cats? No. You might care about all of these but you can't actively contribute to every cause known to man. FOSS is among those causes. Why should we expect

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

2010-08-18 Thread Martin Owens
Because argument and debate aren't a waste of time so long as we're learning. On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 10:07 -0400, Andy Watson wrote: What do you do to help the marketing team? Maybe I can help. http://doctormo.org/2010/08/18/reasons-to-love-ubuntu/ -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

2010-08-17 Thread Bryan Ogden
I'm actually shocked that this is an argument at all. Marketing teams market their products, not anyone else's. You don't see McDonalds marketing for the farmers that raise the cattle where they get their beef. They market solutions for hunger. That's what we should be doing with Ubuntu. So,

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

2010-08-17 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 21:46 +0900, Bryan Ogden wrote: I'm actually shocked that this is an argument at all. Marketing teams market their products, not anyone else's. You don't see McDonalds marketing for the farmers that raise the cattle where they get their beef. They market solutions for

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

2010-08-17 Thread Lisandro Vaccaro
I don't want to repeat the same things but unless we set these kind of things straight and record the conclusions somewhere, these discussions are meaningless, even if you two decided on one point or another, what are you going to do? Will anybody even know the discussion take place? You won't

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

2010-08-17 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 17:14 -0300, Lisandro Vaccaro wrote: I don't want to repeat the same things but unless we set these kind of things straight and record the conclusions somewhere, these discussions are meaningless, even if you two decided on one point or another, what are you going to do?

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

2010-08-17 Thread Lisandro Vaccaro
I'm sorry. I just hope there were more active projects on the list. idk the wiki has a long way to go before it becomes a decent tool. Just for the record, FOSS has to be mentioned, always. There are a lot of reasons for it, bust first of all, the OS is great but if it wasn't FOSS it would just

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

2010-08-17 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 18:26 -0300, Lisandro Vaccaro wrote: I'm sorry. I just hope there were more active projects on the list. idk the wiki has a long way to go before it becomes a decent tool. *sigh* So why did you complain about not writing these things down? Your not prepared to help fix

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

2010-08-17 Thread Tim McNamara
On 18 August 2010 00:46, Bryan Ogden bry...@ogden-computers.com wrote: I'm actually shocked that this is an argument at all. Marketing teams market their products, not anyone else's. You don't see McDonalds marketing for the farmers that raise the cattle where they get their beef. They

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

2010-08-17 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 20:14 -0400, Andy Watson wrote: I don't want to alarm anyone but a lot of people aren't programmers, designers, translators or want to be helpful in anyway. After all, it is just an operating system. A lot of people don't care about their OS. If you go and start

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

2010-08-17 Thread Andy Watson
If you want to make money, sell it. If you want contributors, focus on people that will contribute. A lot of people don't care enough to contribute or donate. Andy Watson watson...@gmail.com watson...@msn.com On 2010-08-17, at 8:49 PM, Martin Owens docto...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue,