Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion

2013-03-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-03-08 at 22:48 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > From what I saw on the article at Phoronix, there's talk about adding > support for DRM in gstreamer. gstreamer on all distros I use became a PITA. Btw. I now have an idea how to delete only the current .goutputstream-* junk in /home by a scr

Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion

2013-03-09 Thread Len Ovens
On Sat, March 9, 2013 12:00 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: > could all base on that. Certainly, installing to server, then calling only > your top-level packages > from apt-get would give a stripped-down, clean install with no crap. Best > of all, server disk images > fit on CD and are small.

Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion

2013-03-09 Thread lukefromdc
Since MIR is a display server, the "DRM" block could refer to mesa hardware acceleration or to digital rights management. If it's the latter, a derivative distro would have to run either another version of Mir (if source is published), Wayland, or good old fashioned X. I still think they'll need

Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion

2013-03-08 Thread Len Ovens
On Fri, March 8, 2013 11:13 am, Hartmut Noack wrote: > Am 08.03.2013 12:31, schrieb Kaj Ailomaa: >> On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 20:16:17 +0100, wrote: >> >>> I've looked into rebasing my entire install directly on Debian because >>> of >>> first the Amazon mess, now the Mir mess, and finally word on Phor

Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion

2013-03-08 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-03-08 at 22:48 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > From what I saw on the article at Phoronix, there's talk about adding > support for DRM in gstreamer. gstreamer on all distros I use became a PITA. Btw. I now have an idea how to delete only the current .goutputstream-* junk in /home by a scr

Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion

2013-03-08 Thread lukefromdc
The existing non-free kernel blobs do not allow the RIAA and MPAA to access someone's machine. Firmware blobs are often (but not always) very low level code. There is so much hardware that doesn't work without low level blobs that distros that exclude them are specialty items, but I have yet to

Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion

2013-03-08 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 21:25:50 +0100, wrote: For me to stay with Ubuntu, the packages I use, in clean versions, need to stay in repo and never depend on packages I am not willing to install. Since I regard my installed OS as a fork, it's what's in repo and what they depend on that counts, no

Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion

2013-03-08 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-03-08 at 15:25 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: > For me to stay with Ubuntu, the packages I use, in clean versions, > need to stay in repo and never depend on packages I am not willing to > install. Since > I regard my installed OS as a fork, it's what's in repo and what they de

Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion

2013-03-08 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:13:16 +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote: Am 08.03.2013 12:31, schrieb Kaj Ailomaa: On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 20:16:17 +0100, wrote: I've looked into rebasing my entire install directly on Debian because of first the Amazon mess, now the Mir mess, and finally word on Phoronix t

Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion

2013-03-08 Thread lukefromdc
The story is on Phoronix: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxOTc On 03/08/2013 at 2:13 PM, "Hartmut Noack" wrote: > >Am 08.03.2013 12:31, schrieb Kaj Ailomaa: >> On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 20:16:17 +0100, >wrote: >> >>> I've looked into rebasing my entire install directly on Debi

Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion

2013-03-08 Thread lukefromdc
For me to stay with Ubuntu, the packages I use, in clean versions, need to stay in repo and never depend on packages I am not willing to install. Since I regard my installed OS as a fork, it's what's in repo and what they depend on that counts, not the default installation which now has little be

Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion

2013-03-08 Thread Hartmut Noack
Am 08.03.2013 12:31, schrieb Kaj Ailomaa: > On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 20:16:17 +0100, wrote: > >> I've looked into rebasing my entire install directly on Debian because of >> first the Amazon mess, now the Mir mess, and finally word on Phoronix >> that Ubuntu is looking into supporting digital rights m

Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion

2013-03-08 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 20:16:17 +0100, wrote: I've looked into rebasing my entire install directly on Debian because of first the Amazon mess, now the Mir mess, and finally word on Phoronix that Ubuntu is looking into supporting digital rights management, hoping to run on smartphones. They are ab

Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion

2013-03-06 Thread lukefromdc
I've looked into rebasing my entire install directly on Debian because of first the Amazon mess, now the Mir mess, and finally word on Phoronix that Ubuntu is looking into supporting digital rights management, hoping to run on smartphones. They are abandoning the free and open desktop- and will HA