Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:46:08 +0100, "luxxius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I do have one remaining question. In the following compound > command > > find ~/music -type f -group diana -exec sudo chgrp root {} \; -exec > sudo chmod 755 {} \; > > what is the function of ' {} \; '? The escaped

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread luxxius
Neil Greenwood wrote: > The reason that the directories 'vanished' is that execute permission > is used to indicate that directories can be browsed i.e. listed in ls > or Nautilus. When you did the chmod 664 it also worked on the > directories, and then you couldn't look into them. Neil >>> This w

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Eyecandy in Ubuntu Feisty Vs. Vista Aero

2007-06-07 Thread Skeg Fast
I hear ya! I've converted a lot of people to Linux just from them sitting and watching me use Kubuntu with Beryl on a 4 year old desktop. "Yeah, my desktop struggles with Vista too"... (Spins cube). "No, this isn't Vista" (Spins cube some more+transparent stuff). "Yeah, from 2004, Athlon XP" (Hi

[ubuntu-uk] Eyecandy in Ubuntu Feisty Vs. Vista Aero

2007-06-07 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Well, I just found desktop effects... What an awesome, awesome demo for Linux. My laptop is an old HP (Circa 2002) with 512Mb RAM, a P3 1.5 Intel mobile and an onboard ATI ProSavage DDR3 and it runs Beryl with all the desktop effects including the task-switcher, window effects and desktop cub

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Neil Greenwood
On 07/06/07, Robert McWilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One thing I'd suggest for the future is not to use numerical > permissions when manipulating them. chmod lets you specify the > permissions using r,w and x and a,u,g, and o for who the permissions > apply to (the syntax is in the chmod man

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Neil Greenwood
On 07/06/07, luxxius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems that after running > > find ~/music -group diana -exec chgrp root {} \; -exec chmod 664 {} \; This is where the problem with the 'vanishing' directories started... (of course, hindsight is wonderful, isn't it!) The command should have been

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Face to Face support on the Ohio

2007-06-07 Thread Chris Rowson
Some really interesting thoughts there - I've updated the wiki. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/VoiceSupport Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu, SMS, Zoneminder and a Windows-based phone...

2007-06-07 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
OK, Here's a challenge for you: I have a zone-minder setup at home. I also have an old Windows Mobile 2003 HTC Hurricane mobile phone (AKA Orange MPV500). What I want to do is have ZoneMinder trigger an alarm that then executes a script that will send an SMS from the Windows Mobile Phone. Obvio

Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Free" Phone support - linux.co.uk (Was Face to Face support on the Ohio)

2007-06-07 Thread Johnathon Tinsley
Sorry for the almost duplicate emails... Evolution is both too smart and too dumb at times! :S Johnathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

[ubuntu-uk] Phone support (linux.co.uk)

2007-06-07 Thread Johnathon Tinsley
Hello, I saw that notice went up on linux.co.uk recently: Free telephone support for Commercial UK Linux Users - 0845 25 77033, 9am-5pm weekdays [ You pay the cost of the phone call! Calling 0845 from a UK land-line is ~ local rate] It seems to be commercial only, but thought you might like to s

[ubuntu-uk] "Free" Phone support - linux.co.uk (Was Face to Face support on the Ohio)

2007-06-07 Thread Johnathon Tinsley
Hello This went up on linux.co.uk today. Its commercial only, so probably trying to find more customers, but it is free support... Free telephone support for Commercial UK Linux Users - 0845 25 77033, 9am-5pm weekdays [ You pay the cost of the phone call! Calling 0845 from a UK land-line is ~ l

Re: [ubuntu-uk] USB mouse problems?

2007-06-07 Thread Lee Tambiah
On 6/7/07, Dianne Reuby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone else had problems with their mice? TIA Dianne Can't say I have, but there are some mouses (usually require) drivers on windows that won't work as they don't support true USB standard. Logitech mice and keyboards work fine! Believe i

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread luxxius
Robert McWilliam wrote: > Rather than just ignoring the errors you can tell rsync not to try and > set permissions or group with the --no-p and --no-g options and then if > there are any errors that actually need worrying about you wont miss > them assuming the output is the normal errors that don

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:23:07 +0100 luxxius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And I'm glad to know I can simply ignore the rsync chgrp errors as > being a product of the MS file system's ignorance! Rather than just ignoring the errors you can tell rsync not to try and set permissions or group with the -

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Face to Face support on the Ohio

2007-06-07 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Andy, On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 01:26:02PM +0100, Andy wrote: > We do have #ubuntu-uk on Freenode IRC. > Indeed we do - "welcome to the madhouse" should be the motto. > Who do we speak to at Ubuntu in the event we did want an Ubuntu UK > support channel? > Just create it. There is no "proces

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread luxxius
Alan Pope wrote: > I must say I am watching this thread with interest. The above messages > appear when i rsync my music and podcasts to my mp3 player. > The difference is I just ignore it :) Al >>> As you may have seen, I think I've resolved this now. But if there had been a telephone suppor

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread luxxius
Kris Marsh wrote: > On 6/7/07, Robert McWilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I've just done some playing here and found the same problem with >> accessing a directory with drw-rw-r-- permissions. The problem goes >> away if I add executable permissions (making the permissions 764 for >> u+x). I'm

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Face to Face support on the Ohio

2007-06-07 Thread Dave Walker
On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 13:26 +0100, Andy wrote: > > Sorry about the rather long email, > > Andy > > > -- > First they ignore you > then they laugh at you > then they fight you > then you win. > - Mohandas Gandhi > Hi Andy, You picked up some very good points there. Would you mind adding t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Face to Face support on the Ohio

2007-06-07 Thread Andy
Hi On 07/06/07, Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In addition wouldn't you have to offer an IRC / IM support service too? > > i have an IRC server you guys can use irc.forthegamers.org find me > (caboose) or Ghozer on there or wait for me to come online in #chat We do have #ubuntu-uk on Freenode

[ubuntu-uk] USB mouse problems?

2007-06-07 Thread Dianne Reuby
I've been having intermittent problems with my PS2 mouse - throws the cursor round the screen, opening windows as it passes, so I tried a USB mouse, which worked fine ... Until I rebooted, when I couldn't log in - the keyboard wasn't responding, and the mouse wasn't working. I removed the mouse,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] Telesale Flowchart

2007-06-07 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:05:41 +, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 11:51:36AM +0100, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> A few years ago, there was a flowchart for cold calling where you > received the call and by the end of it knew more about the sa

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Kris Marsh
On 6/7/07, Robert McWilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:52:11 +0100 > luxxius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I cannot access the music folder or its subfolders and files unless I > > become root (sudo su). I can then see the folders and files. This is > > the output of sta

Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] Telesale Flowchart

2007-06-07 Thread Alan Pope
On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 11:51:36AM +0100, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > > Hi all, > > A few years ago, there was a flowchart for cold calling where you received > the call and by the end of it knew more about the sales rep than they knew > about you. > > Does anyone know where this is or

[ubuntu-uk] [OT] Telesale Flowchart

2007-06-07 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Hi all, A few years ago, there was a flowchart for cold calling where you received the call and by the end of it knew more about the sales rep than they knew about you. Does anyone know where this is or have a copy? I've googled by my keywords just aren't quite right today... :o( Cheers, M

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:52:11 +0100 luxxius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I cannot access the music folder or its subfolders and files unless I > become root (sudo su). I can then see the folders and files. This is > the output of stat on the top level folder: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/diana# st

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Kris Marsh
On 6/7/07, luxxius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > luxxius wrote: > > Nearly all the files in the music library had 'diana' as owner and > > 'root' as group. It was the half-dozen or so that had 'diana' as owner > > Sorry. I meant, of course, the half-dozen or so that had 'diana' as group. > > -- >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Kris Marsh
On 6/7/07, luxxius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: > > >> rsync: chgrp "/media/USBdisc/Music/." failed: Operation not permitted (1) > > I must say I am watching this thread with interest. The above messages > > appear when i rsync my music and podcasts to my mp3 player. > > > > The d

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread luxxius
luxxius wrote: > Nearly all the files in the music library had 'diana' as owner and > 'root' as group. It was the half-dozen or so that had 'diana' as owner Sorry. I meant, of course, the half-dozen or so that had 'diana' as group. -- Diana -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubun

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread luxxius
Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > Is there a reason why the group needs to be root? > if you change the group to "diana" or "users", does that make a difference > (it think it might...) Nearly all the files in the music library had 'diana' as owner and 'root' as group. It was the half-dozen o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread luxxius
Alan Pope wrote: >> rsync: chgrp "/media/USBdisc/Music/." failed: Operation not permitted (1) > I must say I am watching this thread with interest. The above messages > appear when i rsync my music and podcasts to my mp3 player. > > The difference is I just ignore it :) I'm beginning to wished

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:52:11 +0100, luxxius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I forgot to add this further info: > > I cannot access the music folder or its subfolders and files unless I > become root (sudo su). I can then see the folders and files. This is > the output of stat on the top level fold

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 26, Issue 18

2007-06-07 Thread Johnathon Tinsley
> Is there any easy way to do this? (I can find one) > Thanks in advance, > Johnathon I'm an idiot.. I meant "Can't" not can... One of these days, I'll remember to proof read every email before I send it... Johnathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/u

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lugradio Live, Ubuntu-uk and the Stand.

2007-06-07 Thread Paul RJ Mellors
john levin wrote: > Nik Butler wrote: > >> This is a Public Service Announcement on behalf of the Loudmouthman : >> >> >> John Levin , if your out there and available can you get in touch with >> us we are all desperately trying to contact you. Especially Mrs Trellis. >> >> >> Nik Butler >> >> >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:50:25 +0100, luxxius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: >> A very simple thing (that could have solved the whole thing in the first > place now I think about it...) >> >>> cd ~/music >>> sudo chmod -Rvf 644 . >>> sudo chown -Rvf diana:root . >> >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Diana, On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 08:54:48PM +0100, luxxius wrote: > ## > rsync: chgrp "/media/USBdisc/Music/Podcasts/In Our Time/65. William of > Ockham 31 May 07.mp3" failed: Operation not permitted (1) > > rsync: chgrp "/media/USBdisc/Music/." failed: Operation not permitted (1) > I mus

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread luxxius
I forgot to add this further info: I cannot access the music folder or its subfolders and files unless I become root (sudo su). I can then see the folders and files. This is the output of stat on the top level folder: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/diana# stat music File: `music' Size: 4096

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread luxxius
Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > A very simple thing (that could have solved the whole thing in the first > place now I think about it...) > >> cd ~/music >> sudo chmod -Rvf 644 . >> sudo chown -Rvf diana:root . > > this will recursively apply the permissions and the ownership to all files in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lugradio Live, Ubuntu-uk and the Stand.

2007-06-07 Thread Alan Pope
Hi John, On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 10:43:20AM +0100, john levin wrote: > Normal service has been resumed. > Hurrah! > Wobbling Domain Syndrome, now cured. > You should go see a doctor about that. There are pills. > CDs and stickers are sorted for LRL 07. So who wants to volunteer to man > the

[ubuntu-uk] Gnome Drawer Applet

2007-06-07 Thread Johnathon Tinsley
Hello all, Thought I'd ask a quick question... I want to put a set of shortcuts into a gnome "Drawer" applet, but I don't want the icons displayed, just the text of each shortcut (I have a lot of shortcuts with the same icon cluttering up one of my desktops.) Is there any easy way to do this? (I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lugradio Live, Ubuntu-uk and the Stand.

2007-06-07 Thread john levin
Nik Butler wrote: > This is a Public Service Announcement on behalf of the Loudmouthman : > > > John Levin , if your out there and available can you get in touch with > us we are all desperately trying to contact you. Especially Mrs Trellis. > > > Nik Butler > > Normal service has been resume

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:16:21 +0100, luxxius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ah. Slight problem folks. The instructions appear to have reset all > the files in the music folder so that the owner (diana) and group (root) > are set to 'list, create/delete, no access' and no file permissions > (---).

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread luxxius
Ah. Slight problem folks. The instructions appear to have reset all the files in the music folder so that the owner (diana) and group (root) are set to 'list, create/delete, no access' and no file permissions (---). When I try to use nautilus to look at files, they vanish! Very worrying. A

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Tony Arnold
Robert, Robert McWilliam wrote: > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:45:48 +0100 > Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Try this instead: >> >> find ~/music -group diana -exec chgrp root {} && chmod 664 {} \; >> > > That wont work - the shell sees the && and terminates the command there > than tries to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:45:48 +0100 Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Try this instead: > > find ~/music -group diana -exec chgrp root {} && chmod 664 {} \; > That wont work - the shell sees the && and terminates the command there than tries to chmod {}. It might work with a \&\& (I haven

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread luxxius
Robert McWilliam wrote: > -exec wants a command ended with a semi-colon (which you have to escape > to stop the shell interpreting it). Make sure you have a "\;" at the > end of each of the -exec commands. Robert >>> You're right - I'd accidentally omitted the final ';'. I also needed to run t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:43:31 +0100, luxxius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > >> Not the one I originally used, but a good example all the same: >> http://tlug.dnho.net/?q=node/198 >> gives: >> >> #!/bin/sh... > > Matt >>> Wow! That's a several light years away f

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Tony Arnold
Diana, luxxius wrote: > Robert McWilliam wrote: >> find can be used to run commands: >> >> find ~/music -group diana -exec chgrp root {} \; -exec chmod >> 664 {} \; > > > Robert >>> This seems almost to work, as it seems to get round the > 'spaces in filenames' problem that th

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Face to Face support on the Ohio

2007-06-07 Thread Rob
Snip I would suggest that you think about your own dealings with Call Centres - everyone has had an interesting experience with off shore centres - the technician may know their stuff but trying to communicate it in a language that is understood - look at Caroline and her Wi-fi for instance. In a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread luxxius
Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > Not the one I originally used, but a good example all the same: > http://tlug.dnho.net/?q=node/198 > gives: > > #!/bin/sh... Matt >>> Wow! That's a several light years away from where my understanding is right now! And there are a couple of issues that might

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:27:32 +0100 luxxius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert McWilliam wrote: > > find can be used to run commands: > > > > find ~/music -group diana -exec chgrp root {} \; -exec chmod > > 664 {} \; > > > Robert >>> This seems almost to work, as it seems to get

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:18:51 +0100 luxxius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've tried Tony's one-liner, which would work a treat with orthodox > file names. Sadly, a lot of mine are from CD rips, and contain > spaces. So the suggested script gags on the un-escaped spaces. Rats! There is a way to g

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:18:51 +0100, luxxius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tony Arnold wrote: > >> for i in `find /home/diana/music -group diana` ; do chgrp root $i && >> chmod 644 $i; done >> (should be all on one line, excuse the wrap) > > > Tony / Matthew / Robert >>> Many thanks for your quic

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread luxxius
Robert McWilliam wrote: > find can be used to run commands: > > find ~/music -group diana -exec chgrp root {} \; -exec chmod > 664 {} \; Robert >>> This seems almost to work, as it seems to get round the 'spaces in filenames' problem that the loop solution runs into. But I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:18:51 +0100, luxxius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tony Arnold wrote: > >> for i in `find /home/diana/music -group diana` ; do chgrp root $i && >> chmod 644 $i; done >> (should be all on one line, excuse the wrap) > > > Tony / Matthew / Robert >>> Many thanks for your quic

Re: [ubuntu-uk] rsync chgrp problem - advice, please?

2007-06-07 Thread luxxius
Tony Arnold wrote: > for i in `find /home/diana/music -group diana` ; do chgrp root $i && > chmod 644 $i; done > (should be all on one line, excuse the wrap) Tony / Matthew / Robert >>> Many thanks for your quick and very helpful replies. I've tried Tony's one-liner, which would work a treat w