Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC and open formats??

Pete Ryland wrote: > On a slightly-related note, the BBC is holding a Christmas Geek Bash: > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2006/11/christmas_party.html > > It might be a good place to meet people who have influence over their > website policy. > > It's being organised in association

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On a slightly-related note, the BBC is holding a Christmas Geek Bash: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2006/11/christmas_party.html It might be a good place to meet people who have influence over their website policy. It's being organised in association with such people as: Swedish Beer

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Sounds encouraging, don't forget to let anyone that needs to know that there are many people (us included) who are willing to help with any questions they might possibly have :). On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 11:02 +, Ben Lovell wrote: > Hi All, > > First let me state I work for BBC Worldwide, i've b

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Sounds encouraging, don't forget to let anyone that needs to know that there are many people (us included) who are willing to help with any questions they might possibly have :). On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 11:02 +, Ben Lovell wrote: > Hi All, > > First let me state I work for BBC Worldwide, i've b

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Hi All,First let me state I work for BBC Worldwide, i've been following this list for a while as I use Ubuntu at home. I'll forward this conversation on to someone at BBC Tech and see if I can get a quick response. I'll post anything back to this board... BenOn 07/11/06, Ciaran Mooney <[EMAIL PROTE

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The Guardian have a Thursday technology supplement, and as part of it they have a "Free Our Data" campaign. Mainly to do with mapping information from Ordance Survey, but they would seem to be willing to take up such a problem as the BBC and closed codecs. Wait until Thursday and get a copy of the

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On 03/11/06, Stuart Parkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where is this list - I didn't see it either! :( Are you looking on the FSFE's lists page? well you won't find it there! For some odd reason it appears to be on a different server to everything else. Its on the GNU mailing list server, ma

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Andy wrote: > Including the FSFE-uk list (only just signed up to > didn't see it when signed up t other FSFE lists), Where is this list - I didn't see it either! :( Stuart -- --- Linux #423936 Ubuntu #4500 --- 'Narrf' on IRC

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On 03/11/06, Pete Ryland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They are a business after > all, so the powers that be are likely not to approve spending > resources just to satisfy some "bunch of hippies and their demands". Are they a business? They are publicly funded to provided a service which they are f

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I have written to my local MP (John Hemming), via the website http://www.writetothem.com/ , and he has written to the Director General of the BBC. So we know we can get some support here. He has promised to let me know when he gets a reply and forward it to me, so I'll send you a copy of that. Tez

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gord wrote: [...] > They kept putting these texts at the bottom of the screen and they kept > spelling Linux, lynux. This leads me to believe that the BBC (news team > at least) don't report on floss because they have absolutely no > knowledge of it what so ever, the reporting team seemed to strugg

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Just to say, last night I couldn't sleep for various reasons, so i flick on my tv and see whats on, end up on BBC News24's business report program. It happened to be reporting on Microsoft allowing Linux to be run via virtualisation, all seemed OK but then the news ticker decided to put a small amo

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On 03/11/06, tim matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > well, I don't agree with their conservative view of what the "market" is. > > typical BBC, very, very conservative. I agree, but there do exist people within the Beeb that aren't so. BTW, I should point out that what I said about their reason

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well, I don't agree with their conservative view of what the "market" is. typical BBC, very, very conservative. Pete Ryland wrote: > On 03/11/06, tim matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> well .. I've done this before. >> >> While living in Holland, I set up an ogg stream for Radio 1 from t

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On 03/11/06, tim matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > well .. I've done this before. > > While living in Holland, I set up an ogg stream for Radio 1 from the > NOS. Like the BBC, the NOS is a total Microsoft shop. I'm sorry, this is bunk. The BBC is not a total Microsoft shop. They are doing *l

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well .. I've done this before. While living in Holland, I set up an ogg stream for Radio 1 from the NOS. Like the BBC, the NOS is a total Microsoft shop. I ran the stream for over a year, I never heard anything from the NOS. The high point of the stream was for the 2004 Summer Olympic Games. Th

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On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 01:37 +, alan c wrote: > Rob Beard wrote: > > Alan Pope wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 03:36:10PM +, tim matthews wrote: > > [...] > > With regards to 'P*dcasting' it seems lots of media companies are using > > the 'P*dcasting' word now. I don't think they have

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Rob Beard wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 03:36:10PM +, tim matthews wrote: [...] > With regards to 'P*dcasting' it seems lots of media companies are using > the 'P*dcasting' word now. I don't think they have heard that Apple are > looking into ways of getting royalties

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Andy wrote: > On 02/11/06, tim matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > [...] > we should not >> be forced to use the Microsoft operating system. I like this one > I think most (all?) of us agree with that, this is why I would like > the BBC to change what it does, not someone to take its content

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tim matthews wrote: > yes, I'm seriously suggesting being "naughty" to make a point. If they > want to call me silly names like "pirate" or "terrorist" it's up to them. > > and why not? it's a BBC copyright, ok is the BBC an 3vil greedy > corperation or it is funded by its listeners? > > It's o

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TheOldFellow wrote: >> He seems to claim a lot of expenses for computers though: >> Centrally Provided Computer Equipment£1,082 >> its a pity it doesn't say exactly what that was spent on (this is for >> a single year). > > Windows and Windows application updates :-) > > Send him a Ubunt

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Alan Pope wrote: > On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 03:36:10PM +, tim matthews wrote: > >> well, we could complain ... or we could set things up for the BBC. >> >> Would ubuntu or anyone else have any bandwidth to donate? All we need is >> a server (could be an old 1U box which nobody wants anymore)

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Andy wrote: > I urge everyone reading this to file an official complaint on: > > DO NOT use 'send a complaint' or 'make a suggestion' they ignore > those, they will actually reply to a complaint. (if they don't it will > make there quart

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On 02/11/06, tim matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yes, I'm seriously suggesting being "naughty" to make a point. If they > want to call me silly names like "pirate" or "terrorist" it's up to them. There is already a risk that they are going to refuse to use an Open Format because they can't

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On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 06:09:14PM +, tim matthews wrote: > > yes, I'm seriously suggesting being "naughty" to make a point. Heh. You first then. :) > If they > want to call me silly names like "pirate" or "terrorist" it's up to them. > Ok, I'll put that down as a rant > and why not? it

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yes, I'm seriously suggesting being "naughty" to make a point. If they want to call me silly names like "pirate" or "terrorist" it's up to them. and why not? it's a BBC copyright, ok is the BBC an 3vil greedy corperation or it is funded by its listeners? It's our right to have the BBC broadcas

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On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 03:36:10PM +, tim matthews wrote: > > well, we could complain ... or we could set things up for the BBC. > > Would ubuntu or anyone else have any bandwidth to donate? All we need is > a server (could be an old 1U box which nobody wants anymore) on good > bandwidth, a

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> He seems to claim a lot of expenses for computers though: > Centrally Provided Computer Equipment £1,082 > its a pity it doesn't say exactly what that was spent on (this is for > a single year). Windows and Windows application updates :-) Send him a Ubuntu live-CD? R. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubu

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On 02/11/06, Martin Fitzpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure whether you're joking here, but I would be very careful > about using the word 'lie'. Lying implies an intent to deceive, the > accusation of which is slanderous unless you have proof. Choosing > your words carefully is imp

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Hi, > > Maybe the tabloids would take an interest? ROTFL. > I doubt it has the level of scandal required for tabloid newspapers. > Tabloids are primarly populist & will not print something which is a > minority interest. Unfortunately that means us. Technology coverage in > tabloids is very limi

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well, we could complain ... or we could set things up for the BBC. Would ubuntu or anyone else have any bandwidth to donate? All we need is a server (could be an old 1U box which nobody wants anymore) on good bandwidth, a few digital radios plugged into a PC on sane bandwidth (with cheapo but

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On 02/11/06, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Something I heard at LinuxWorld recently suggested to me bbc were > moving towards more open formats. > However, this comments implies otherwise. Anyone know anything? > > Beeb breaks out with Windows WMA protection > http://www.theinquirer.net/defau

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On 02/11/06, TheOldFellow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 12:45:30 +, Andy wrote: > > I might just write to my MP, but unfortunately there isn't an election > > around the corner so it will probably be ignored. > I got a reasoned reply from the appropriate department about the

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On 02/11/06, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the sites such as faxyourmp are quite effective. I have often got a > reply after using them, often from th egovernment department concerned. Not heard of this before, thanks for the heads up. > Maybe the tabloids would take an interest? I doubt i

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On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 12:45:30 +, Andy wrote: > I might just write to my MP, but unfortunately there isn't an election > around the corner so it will probably be ignored. I wrote to mine about this and, more importantly IMO, that Parliament On-Line is Windows-formats only. I got a reasoned rep

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gord wrote: > I have also been badgering the BBC for quite some time to use open > formats and also about the awful bias nature of their programs (news and > 'click', their technology related show) towards big business and > completely ignoring floss, however seeing how Dirac (the beebs own foray >

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On Thursday 02 November 2006 12:45, Andy wrote: > > I urge everyone reading this to file an official complaint on: > > DO NOT use 'send a complaint' or 'make a suggestion' they ignore > those, they will actually reply to a complaint. (if

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Andy, Thanks for posting this to the list. A few thoughts from reading... On 02/11/06, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was given a link to download.com with about 500 programs related to > activeX and was told to install it, (which one? does ActiveX work on > Ubuntu, I told them I used Ubu

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and what will your local MP do about it? it's up to us ourselves to organise, not let someone else do it. sorry .. this is a little off-topic from the ubuntu list. but we all do agree that the BBC shouldn't be wasting its money on Microsoft licence fees and making their media not usuable for t

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I have also been badgering the BBC for quite some time to use open formats and also about the awful bias nature of their programs (news and 'click', their technology related show) towards big business and completely ignoring floss, however seeing how Dirac (the beebs own foray into the free softwar

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tim matthews wrote: > the BBC and open source? > > http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/ > > they did have a very nice ogg stream for Radio 4 ... and then they got > rid of it. > > however, if the BBC should look more into open source, it depends on us > the users of the BBC to organise ourselves and

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Andy wrote: > On 02/11/06, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Something I heard at LinuxWorld recently suggested to me bbc were >> moving towards more open formats. >> (lots of excellent stuff snipped, lets keep up the good work) [...] > Maybe we should add 'getting the BBC to use an open form

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the BBC and open source? http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/ they did have a very nice ogg stream for Radio 4 ... and then they got rid of it. however, if the BBC should look more into open source, it depends on us the users of the BBC to organise ourselves and do something about it. The open sour

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On 02/11/06, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Something I heard at LinuxWorld recently suggested to me bbc were > moving towards more open formats. > However, this comments implies otherwise. Anyone know anything? Its funny you should mention this, I have contacted the BBC over their use of Real

[ubuntu-uk] BBC and open formats??

Something I heard at LinuxWorld recently suggested to me bbc were moving towards more open formats. However, this comments implies otherwise. Anyone know anything? Beeb breaks out with Windows WMA protection http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35282 -- alan c -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubun