Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-11 Thread Mark Harrison
Mac wrote: One of the bloggers pointed out that in the USA, breach of copyright can be a criminal offence as well as a civil one There was a proposal to make such a thing criminal in Europe, but AIUI, it got rejected by the European Parliament earlier this year! Do you (or Matthew) know

[ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mac
You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/microsoft_the_copyright_infringer http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070709101318827 Mac --

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mark Harrison
Mac wrote: You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/microsoft_the_copyright_infringer http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070709101318827 Mac

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mark Harrison
Mac wrote: As I understand it, GPLv3 is not a contract; it's a waiver of copyright that passes to those who also waive copyright. This is what's so clever about it - it just doesn't work like a contract or licence. I think this is why patent/copyright lawyers have such trouble with it:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Lee Tambiah
On 7/10/07, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mac wrote: As I understand it, GPLv3 is not a contract; it's a waiver of copyright that passes to those who also waive copyright. This is what's so clever about it - it just doesn't work like a contract or licence. I think this is why

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mac
Mark Harrison wrote: It's hard to see, however, how any legal document written on 1st July could retrospectively apply to a contract signed on the 30th June unless the contract made specific provision for itself to be modified. I may be wrong, but I thought that's exactly what GPLv2 had

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Matthew East
Mark Harrison wrote: Mac wrote: You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: I'm no lawyer, but in the UK at least, there are at least two problems with the legal analysis here: - I had understood

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mac
Matthew East wrote: snip ...The GPL is a license (hence the L) by which (among other things) the licensor and copyright holder grants the licensee the right to use and redistribute the program subject to certain conditions. A license is a type of contract, in this case between the program

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mark Harrison
Mac wrote: That seems to me not contract, but a beautiful and unexpected inversion of copyright law. I'm sorry, but I don't understand this line of argument... Let me explain my understanding first, then someone can tell me what I'm missing... - A contract is a legally binding agreement

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mark Harrison
Lee Tambiah wrote: Without disscussion I think the GPL 3 is a very good license which protects Free Software and overall should strengthen it. I agree. I agree that you, and any programmer, should have the right to choose the GPLv3 in new products you create. However, I also believe that

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Matthew East
Hiya * Mac: Matthew East wrote: That seems to me not contract, but a beautiful and unexpected inversion of copyright law. A beautiful inversion of copyright law isn't a legal concept. The extract you've cited from Eben isn't addressing the mechanism by which an author who publishes