Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-31 Thread pete smout
On 10/05/13 09:22, Tony Pursell wrote: Hi John On 10 May 2013 00:09, John Oliver jp.oli...@ntlworld.com mailto:jp.oli...@ntlworld.com wrote: I suppose it depends what's available on the platform. Looking at schools and colleges on the UK the vast majority run Windows XP or 7.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-10 Thread Avi Greenbury
John Oliver wrote: If you're in education trying to teach children to word process it simply isn't faesable to try to explain the difference between proprietary and open-source software etc and then to get them to make a choice. I think the notion of software freedom is absolutely the sort of

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-10 Thread Avi Greenbury
Pete wrote: On 09/05/13 22:30, SuperEngineer wrote: On 09/05/13 22:18, Sean Miller wrote: If you extended this to the open market as a whole, then every washing machine should have alternative operating systems. No, it's not something I subscribe to. If a manufacturer wishes to go with

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-10 Thread Tony Pursell
Hi John On 10 May 2013 00:09, John Oliver jp.oli...@ntlworld.com wrote: I suppose it depends what's available on the platform. Looking at schools and colleges on the UK the vast majority run Windows XP or 7. That's not necessarily because of the technical staff who are often perfectly capable

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-10 Thread Byte Soup
On 10 May 2013 10:02, James Tait james.t...@wyrddreams.org wrote: On 09/05/13 23:04, SuperEngineer wrote: just one final word (sentence)- my word educate was deliberate... get the kids using Linux, let them think it's 'normal'. I'm sure my boys' response to that would be Why, isn't it?

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-10 Thread James Tait
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/05/13 15:59, Byte Soup wrote: On 10 May 2013 10:02, James Tait james.t...@wyrddreams.org mailto:james.t...@wyrddreams.org wrote: On 09/05/13 23:04, SuperEngineer wrote: just one final word (sentence)- my word educate was deliberate...

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-10 Thread John Oliver
And yet regrettably the IT teachers are stuck on one system, bound by the equipment provided, and the IT support who usually run the network as well. The brighter ones will get the concept but many simply don't (or won't) understand and will end up more confused. I've been volunteering

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-10 Thread Muñiz Piniella , Andrés
On May 10, 2013 8:33 PM, John Oliver jp.oli...@ntlworld.com wrote: John Oliver PS: I do rather like excel as a program even if some functions are hidden away in that tabular view. If on Windows and it was installed alongside LibreOffice I would likely choose Excel. I use LibreOffice at home.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-10 Thread John Oliver
Thanks - I'll have a look at those :) Regards, John Oliver On 10 May 2013, at 21:36, Muñiz Piniella, Andrés a75...@alumni.tecnun.es wrote: On May 10, 2013 8:33 PM, John Oliver jp.oli...@ntlworld.com wrote: John Oliver PS: I do rather like excel as a program even if some functions

[ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread SuperEngineer
The problem with not resolving bug #1 stares me in the face. That being the fact that EEC, UsA? etc are prepared to force Microsoft to offer more than their own browser... but are not prepared to take on the real monopoly. That being the fact that manufactures should offer a dual boot at

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread Sean Miller
If you extended this to the open market as a whole, then every washing machine should have alternative operating systems. No, it's not something I subscribe to. If a manufacturer wishes to go with Windows, then that's fine. If Ubuntu wants to become the OS of choice then let's PERSUADE rather

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread SuperEngineer
On 09/05/13 22:18, Sean Miller wrote: let's PERSUADE rather than force Sean - an excerpt from another post related to this sent my moi... I occasionally go back to same store - not a Linux machine in sight. Those in the know at the store share my disappointment - but the average comment is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread SuperEngineer
On 09/05/13 22:18, Sean Miller wrote: If you extended this to the open market as a whole, then every washing machine should have alternative operating systems. No, it's not something I subscribe to. If a manufacturer wishes to go with Windows, then that's fine. If Ubuntu wants to become the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread alan c
On 09/05/13 22:18, Sean Miller wrote: If Ubuntu wants to become the OS of choice then let's PERSUADE rather than force people to provide an option Pre installation is a significant factor, as is investment, and risk, and several other aspects too, in the story. A head-on confrontation with a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread SuperEngineer
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 22:38 +0100, alan c wrote: I would suggest that -public- lists where strategy is formulated to take over the world, or whatever, might be seen as just a little, well, naive, when the competition is such as we find. It is more than easy to steer (a very polite way to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread John Oliver
I suppose it depends what's available on the platform. Looking at schools and colleges on the UK the vast majority run Windows XP or 7. That's not necessarily because of the technical staff who are often perfectly capable of using and managing a GNU/Linux system or set of systems, not is it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread Phill Whiteside
XP is going to be dead, no security updates. Lubuntu has realised this, we are asking xubutu and kubuntu to come on board. The initial one was just lubuntu, it is now open to all the flavours to get on board with this, For schools / colleges? Use Edubutnu, or is there no one in UK who knows of it?

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread Pete
On 09/05/13 22:30, SuperEngineer wrote: On 09/05/13 22:18, Sean Miller wrote: If you extended this to the open market as a whole, then every washing machine should have alternative operating systems. No, it's not