Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-25 Thread Juergen Schinker
Canonical could engage in other ways gaining Revenue than patronizing end-users Suggestions welcome. We'd love to hear them! Kickstarter, Indiegogo, Flattr, Donations wia Bitcoin etc A constant keepalive to Amazon is also not acceptable... 1) It's not just Amazon.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-25 Thread Alan Bell
On 25/09/12 09:33, Juergen Schinker wrote: Why is there no full Transparancy about this -the more i dig the more comes out... J In a situation where there is no transparency then the more you dig nothing more comes out. What you are experiencing *is* transparency, where the more you dig

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-25 Thread keith
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:18:41 +0100 J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] One solution is pretty straightforward: make online search features an option in the installer (same page as third-party codecs) with a link to the privacy policy etc. [/snip] How about a 'first run' screen

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-25 Thread Alan Bell
On 25/09/12 20:17, keith wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:18:41 +0100 J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] One solution is pretty straightforward: make online search features an option in the installer (same page as third-party codecs) with a link to the privacy policy etc. [/snip]

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-25 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 25/09/12 20:17, keith wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:18:41 +0100 J Fernyhough j.fernyhough-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote: [snip] It will be interesting to see how much referral income you actually get. I'm surprised people even use the Dash/Lens thing. I find it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-25 Thread Avi Greenbury
Juergen Schinker wrote: 2) It's uninstallable Good but not good enough - the default must be uninstalled This isn't Debian, some would say that's a good thing. 3) It's not a constant keepalive, only when you search in the home screen of the dash 4) It doesn't go directly to Amazon

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-25 Thread Alan Pope
On 25/09/12 09:33, Juergen Schinker wrote: Kickstarter, Indiegogo, They work well for one off projects up to (and sometimes over) a specific target, but not for the ongoing costs associated with running a company. Flattr, Donations wia Bitcoin etc Flattr is good for articles, podcasts,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-25 Thread Avi Greenbury
Alan Lord (News) wrote: I'm surprised people even use the Dash/Lens thing. I find it rather pointless and slow and almost never have a need to use it(them) at all. I've found it reasonably good for finding things on Amazon these past couple of days. Not really found a use for it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-24 Thread Juergen Schinker
- Original Message - On 22/09/12 19:29, keith wrote: I'm happily using 12.04 on my laptop. I've just found out that Canonical has a tie-up with Amazon for 12.10 onwards. There is some discussion about what information will be sent to Amazon when executing a local search.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-24 Thread Alan Pope
On 24/09/12 19:25, Juergen Schinker wrote: For some of this content, if a user clicks the item and purchases it, it will generate affiliate revenue that we can invest back into the project (in a similar way to how we generate revenue from the Firefox search bar). We have found affiliate revenue

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-24 Thread J Fernyhough
On 24 September 2012 23:32, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: 4) It doesn't go directly to Amazon (or other stores) anyway. It's proxied via a Canonical server which anonymizes the requests. Ohhh, this could open up a can of worms. Does this mean everything I (hypothetically) type into

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-24 Thread Alan Pope
On 24/09/12 23:51, J Fernyhough wrote: Ohhh, this could open up a can of worms. Does this mean everything I (hypothetically) type into the Dash is being transmitted to Canonical? If you type in the home screen of the dash, the search term goes to a specific server at Canonical. It's

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-24 Thread James Thomas
On 25 September 2012 00:08, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: On 24/09/12 23:51, J Fernyhough wrote: Ohhh, this could open up a can of worms. Does this mean everything I (hypothetically) type into the Dash is being transmitted to Canonical? Hmmm.. You are writing from a google mail

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-24 Thread scoundrel50a
On 25/09/2012 00:08, Alan Pope wrote: On 24/09/12 23:51, J Fernyhough wrote: Ohhh, this could open up a can of worms. Does this mean everything I (hypothetically) type into the Dash is being transmitted to Canonical? If you type in the home screen of the dash, the search term goes to a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-24 Thread J Fernyhough
First things, please don't view this as an attack on the usefulness of Unity lenses. View it as coming from a critical friend (and if in doubt re-read it a couple of times). On 25 September 2012 00:22, James Thomas selin...@googlemail.com wrote: Hmmm.. You are writing from a google mail account

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-24 Thread J Fernyhough
On 25 September 2012 00:22, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Its similar to apples voice..goes to their servers and then back to you...its why I dont use itbe interesting to know how android voice search works if it works in the same way..how much gets kept of the

[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-22 Thread keith
Hello All I'm happily using 12.04 on my laptop. I've just found out that Canonical has a tie-up with Amazon for 12.10 onwards. There is some discussion about what information will be sent to Amazon when executing a local search. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4558489 Any information on

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

2012-09-22 Thread Alan Pope
On 22/09/12 19:29, keith wrote: I'm happily using 12.04 on my laptop. I've just found out that Canonical has a tie-up with Amazon for 12.10 onwards. There is some discussion about what information will be sent to Amazon when executing a local search. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4558489