Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-25 Thread Andres Muniz
> There is a problem of language and discoverability in Unity which is > making it difficult for people to help each other by explaining their > problems and solutions in the language that Mr Shuttleworth wishes us to > adopt. The bar on the left is apparently called Launcher, but that name > does

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-24 Thread bouncysteve
I've been exposed to Unity since the Ubuntu Netbook Edition, and while I can comfortably use it to do everything I need to, I had been convinced by the number of naysayers to give the latest Mint a spin. I was as surprised as anyone that to find that I still prefer Ubuntu, and that has to some degr

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-24 Thread George Tripp
>Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. Mint 12 is newer than Ubuntu 11.10 so people are interested to see what's on offer.  I suspect when 12.04 comes out that will regain top place for the same reason >Why is it that Unity requires the user to be an expert. When I first used Gnome

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-24 Thread Andy Braben
I will also add that I get on fine with Unity, as do people I support. It is something completely different, but I find it intuitive and simple enough to use. I rarely go searching through the dash for anything as all apps I use, including terminal are located immediately on the left hand bar. Simp

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-24 Thread Yorvyk
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 01:29:41 + Daniel Drummond wrote: > On Feb 23, 2012 11:34 PM, "Alan Pope" wrote: > > > I like Unity. > > Me too. > > The thing I like most about Unity is that it caters for so called "power > users". I like that I can control my workspace with the keyboard, and with >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-24 Thread paul sutton
On 24/02/12 09:30, surfer wrote: > When 11.04 was introduced, I read a lot of discouraging comments about > Unity, especially concerning its stability. > > Is it now stable or would I be better off remaining with 10.10. > > Regards > Patrick Mulvey > On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 01:29 +, Daniel Drummo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-24 Thread Colin Law
On 24 February 2012 09:30, surfer wrote: > When 11.04 was introduced, I read a lot of discouraging comments about > Unity, especially concerning its stability. > > Is it now stable or would I be better off remaining with 10.10. I would suggest not upgrading yet, 12.04 (in April) will have a numbe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-24 Thread surfer
When 11.04 was introduced, I read a lot of discouraging comments about Unity, especially concerning its stability. Is it now stable or would I be better off remaining with 10.10. Regards Patrick Mulvey On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 01:29 +, Daniel Drummond wrote: > > On Feb 23, 2012 11:34 PM, "Alan

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-23 Thread Daniel Drummond
On Feb 23, 2012 11:34 PM, "Alan Pope" wrote: > I like Unity. Me too. The thing I like most about Unity is that it caters for so called "power users". I like that I can control my workspace with the keyboard, and with the inclusion of Hud now the menu is easier to use. That said, it is no more

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-23 Thread Alan Pope
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/02/12 20:57, Sean Miller wrote: > This thread has been completely derailed, but the fact remains... > Why Unity? > I like Unity. > I dislike it intensely as a desktop... it probably works on a > phone, but why do we have to now endure it on Ub

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-23 Thread Avi Greenbury
Sean Miller wrote: > On 22 February 2012 13:43, Kris Douglas wrote: > > > Why is it that Unity requires the user to be an expert. A picture of > > the ubuntu logo means a lot to us, but to someone who goes and buys > > a cheap computer it means jack all. They wouldn't think to click > > there th

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-23 Thread Sean Miller
On 22 February 2012 13:43, Kris Douglas wrote: > Why is it that Unity requires the user to be an expert. A picture of > the ubuntu logo means a lot to us, but to someone who goes and buys a > cheap computer it means jack all. They wouldn't think to click there > there is no hit that explains it's

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Bruno Girin
On 22/02/12 14:29, Kris Douglas wrote: ... However the system could once for the first time the user uses the system lay an overlay over the top explaining how to use the menus, etc. Interestingly enough, Unity 5 in Precise does something similar: it displays an overlay when you press the Supe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Jim Price
On 22/02/12 16:05, Alan Bell wrote: it is mostly not as hard as you might expect. I did some messing with the apps lens having never seen Vala code before and I got it doing what I wanted and sorting the applications into categories as per the gnome menu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/appme

[ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working

2012-02-22 Thread Alex Cockell
Hi Andy, You mentioned "It doesn't matter what operating system is being used, if a person is being "lazy" and "can't be bothered with it" they won't be bothered by it and won't install an application or setup a printer because it is beyond them, or so they think. If however they are full of ent

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
That is perfect... This is exactly what it needed, really good. Sent from my Desire HD On Feb 22, 2012 4:05 PM, "Alan Bell" wrote: > On 22/02/12 14:14, Kris Douglas wrote: > >> >> I am primarily a windows/ web developer (sadly). However I am not >> going to say I don't have the time or anything

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Liam Proven
On 22 February 2012 16:05, Alan Bell wrote: > On 22/02/12 14:14, Kris Douglas wrote: >> >> >> I am primarily a windows/ web developer (sadly). However I am not >> going to say I don't have the time or anything like that. I will >> happily attempt a mockup. >> > it is mostly not as hard as you migh

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Alan Bell
On 22/02/12 14:14, Kris Douglas wrote: I am primarily a windows/ web developer (sadly). However I am not going to say I don't have the time or anything like that. I will happily attempt a mockup. it is mostly not as hard as you might expect. I did some messing with the apps lens having never s

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Liam Proven
On 22 February 2012 13:43, Kris Douglas wrote: > Hello, > > Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. > I have just come off the phone with a customer, we write web > applications and we prefer they use Google Chrome because we're > planning to write a plugin and all sorts, but that is irr

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Andy Braben
> > The user of this system could be categorised as lazy, like my > colleague the electrician, who "can't be bothered with it" > > > It doesn't matter what operating system is being used, if a person is being "lazy" and "can't be bothered with it" they won't be bothered by it and won't install an a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 14:18, Dino T. wrote: > He didnt know the logo but a simple "click the top left icon then type the > name of the program" couldn't have been said? I got my dad at 68 years old > to do that easily over the phone. > Hello, If you weren't there and you were trying to explain tha

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 14:27, Kris Douglas wrote: > On 22 February 2012 14:17, Avi Greenbury wrote: >> Kris Douglas  wrote: >>> Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. >> >> Yes. And Scotland is subsidising the UK. >> >>> He has has this machine for 6 weeks thinking it only had the icons >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 14:17, Avi Greenbury wrote: > Kris Douglas  wrote: >> Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. > > Yes. And Scotland is subsidising the UK. > >> He has has this machine for 6 weeks thinking it only had the icons >> down the left installed on it. (i.e the Unity Dock). N

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Barry Drake
On 22/02/12 13:56, Kris Douglas wrote: That is entirely related to the fact the bar dodged windows, and yes I believe that is to be discontinued. However, that is not the problem to be honest, the the "iconfication" and hiding of menus and maximising each window... etc etc. There's a neat co

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Dino T.
He didnt know the logo but a simple "click the top left icon then type the name of the program" couldn't have been said? I got my dad at 68 years old to do that easily over the phone. *Dino Tassigiannis BA (Hons)* On 22 February 2012 14:11, Alan Bell wrote: > On 22/02/12 13:43, Kris Douglas

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Avi Greenbury
Kris Douglas wrote: > Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. Yes. And Scotland is subsidising the UK. > He has has this machine for 6 weeks thinking it only had the icons > down the left installed on it. (i.e the Unity Dock). Now someone > could say to me "why didn't he read the manua

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 14:11, Alan Bell wrote: > On 22/02/12 13:43, Kris Douglas wrote: >> >> Unity is honestly broken, someone must understand this, I will happily >> speak to people in person or on email in more detail about this. > > > code talks. Fix it the way you want it and submit a merge requ

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Alan Bell
On 22/02/12 13:43, Kris Douglas wrote: Unity is honestly broken, someone must understand this, I will happily speak to people in person or on email in more detail about this. code talks. Fix it the way you want it and submit a merge request. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, fi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 14:06, Dave Morley wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 22/02/12 13:56, Kris Douglas wrote: >> On 22 February 2012 13:49, James Morrissey >> wrote: >>> Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely to >>> bring forth opinions: As i unde

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 14:03, James Morrissey wrote: >> I have to be honest I am tentative to take the posts on OMG Ubuntu as >> fact, I am not saying they are lying but sometimes they lack certain >> intricate details that would otherwise be included in online >> journalism. >> >> I actually really

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Dave Morley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22/02/12 13:56, Kris Douglas wrote: > On 22 February 2012 13:49, James Morrissey > wrote: >> Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely to >> bring forth opinions: As i understand it, the current Unity >> Interface is (at least in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread James Morrissey
> I have to be honest I am tentative to take the posts on OMG Ubuntu as > fact, I am not saying they are lying but sometimes they lack certain > intricate details that would otherwise be included in online > journalism. > > I actually really like OMG as a place to go, but I know a lot(5-10) of > pe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread James Morrissey
On 22 February 2012 13:56, Kris Douglas wrote: >> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/mark-shuttleworth-explains-dodge-ditch-decision-in-precise/ >> >> https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg07682.html >> >> j > That is entirely related to the fact the bar dodged windows, and yes I > believe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 13:55, James Morrissey wrote: > Also: > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/stats-show-ubuntu-not-losing-ground-to-linux-mint/ > I have to be honest I am tentative to take the posts on OMG Ubuntu as fact, I am not saying they are lying but sometimes they lack certain intricate

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Simon Greenwood
I can understand where you're coming from and yes, the visual metaphor does struggle a bit beyond the default applications on the dash but the thinking presumably was that there is a start button from which, as with Gnome (and Windows) all other installed software is installed. I understand and lik

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 13:49, James Morrissey wrote: > Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely to bring > forth opinions: As i understand it, the current Unity Interface is (at > least in part) the result of the sort of testing you are describing: > > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/20

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread James Morrissey
Also: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/stats-show-ubuntu-not-losing-ground-to-linux-mint/ On 22 February 2012 13:49, James Morrissey wrote: > Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely to bring > forth opinions: As i understand it, the current Unity Interface is (at > least in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread James Morrissey
Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely to bring forth opinions: As i understand it, the current Unity Interface is (at least in part) the result of the sort of testing you are describing: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/mark-shuttleworth-explains-dodge-ditch-decision-in-pre

[ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
Hello, Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. I have just come off the phone with a customer, we write web applications and we prefer they use Google Chrome because we're planning to write a plugin and all sorts, but that is irrelevant. This customer called in, asked if he could instal