[uknof] Ofcom proposals to force BT OpenReach forced to allow access to dark fibre?

2015-05-19 Thread Paul Mansfield
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/15/ofcom-force-bt--open-fibre-optic-network good news, possibly.

Re: [uknof] Ofcom proposals to force BT OpenReach forced to allow access to dark fibre?

2015-05-19 Thread Christian de Larrinaga
That doesn't surprise me. Assuming that view is shared in Openreach and I don't know that. Then this could be a litmus test whether Openreach or elsewhere in BT makes the decisions. C Richard Halfpenny wrote: . and our spend with BT/Openreach would likely go *up* because of it. -- Christian

Re: [uknof] Ofcom proposals to force BT OpenReach forced to allow access to dark fibre?

2015-05-19 Thread Ben King
^^ this. OSA for 10G end user links is not a viable product. Definitely not, VM is much cheaper for 10G and of course we have EAD 1 launching in September at £11,700 per annum (same exchange) - and it has been hinted to me that it will actually be cheaper by launch date. -- Ben King

Re: [uknof] Ofcom proposals to force BT OpenReach forced to allow access to dark fibre?

2015-05-19 Thread Alex Brooks
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Charlie Boisseau char...@fluency.net.uk wrote: good news, possibly. Possibly. If they get the regulated regions right. There’s a risk Ofcom stifle future investment in other/new networks by doing this. If we don’t want to always just be stuck with BT,

Re: [uknof] Ofcom proposals to force BT OpenReach forced to allow access to dark fibre?

2015-05-19 Thread Richard Halfpenny
On 19/05/2015 10:30, Paul Mansfield wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/15/ofcom-force-bt--open-fibre-optic-network good news, possibly. Possibly, I can see BT/Openreach pushing back hard against this. We run lots of EAD links to end users. If I can migrate those to DFA (or

Re: [uknof] Ofcom proposals to force BT OpenReach forced to allow access to dark fibre?

2015-05-19 Thread Charlie Boisseau
good news, possibly. Possibly. If they get the regulated regions right. There’s a risk Ofcom stifle future investment in other/new networks by doing this. If we don’t want to always just be stuck with BT, other operators need to have an incentive to build - this could destroy their

Re: [uknof] Ofcom proposals to force BT OpenReach forced to allow access to dark fibre?

2015-05-19 Thread Richard Halfpenny
On 19/05/2015 11:04, Ben King wrote: The real wins will be on short distance 10G+ stuff, and possibly NGA services (where the fibre tax is different and much cheaper). ^^ this. OSA for 10G end user links is not a viable product. Rich.

Re: [uknof] Ofcom proposals to force BT OpenReach forced to allow access to dark fibre?

2015-05-19 Thread Paul Mansfield
On 19 May 2015 at 11:25, Alex Brooks askoorb+uk...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, there is still the problem in towns (and cities) that are not London, Manchester or Birmingham that it is almost impossible Even if there is a local fibre deployment, BT can be unhelpful. Our local exchange