Somewhere in the mists of time, I wrote:
That's genuinely fascinating. I can't find the actual judgement and
subsequent direction handed to ISPs in this case - does anyone have a
copy?
Et voila:
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Ch/2012/1152.html
Para. 13 is of particular interest, laying
On 4 May 2012, at 11:44, Graeme Fowler wrote:
Somewhere in the mists of time, I wrote:
That's genuinely fascinating. I can't find the actual judgement and
subsequent direction handed to ISPs in this case - does anyone have a
copy?
Et voila:
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Scott Armitage wrote:
On 4 May 2012, at 11:44, Graeme Fowler wrote:
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Ch/2012/1152.html
Para. 13 is of particular interest, laying out as it does the basic how
to.
I cannot find a statement containing moles, and whack-em. One suspects
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Clive D.W. Feather cl...@davros.org wrote:
Thomas Mangin said:
Since the day cleanfeed was announced, it was easy to predict that one day
cleanfeed like systems would be used for doing more than saving the
children.
And at the time BT gave ISPA and LINX an
On 04/05/2012 12:14, Ben Laurie wrote:
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Clive D.W. Feather cl...@davros.org wrote:
Thomas Mangin said:
Since the day cleanfeed was announced, it was easy to predict that one day
cleanfeed like systems would be used for doing more than saving the
children.
On 1 May 2012, at 18:55, Adrian Kennard uk...@e.gg wrote:
I hate to say I told you so, but when there was campaigning for 100%
IWF block list take up by ISPs, I spoke out against it. I said it would
quickly expand beyond its remit. Now we see that, not just within the
IWF, but by the courts
On 2 May 2012, at 06:25, Steve Dyer st...@enovi.com wrote:
Nicholas Lansman, who 'is' ISPA, was on Radio 4 a few days ago on this
subject. He was rambling and not persuasive in any way. There are other more
effective organisations:
ISOC did a high level policy paper on DNS filtering.
http://www.isoc.org/internet/issues/docs/dns-filtering_20110915.pdf
In UK this has been taken to DCMS and others.
What more would folk would like to see done locally?
Christian
Christian de Larrinaga
On 2 May 2012, at 08:32, Paul
On 02/05/12 11:38, Martin MacLeod-Brown wrote:
How long do you give newsgroups, they will be next on the list...
Or mailing lists..or go the whole hog and stop allowing people to
use email [they could exchange magnet links]
We could end up with all communications being filtered/censored
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:07 +0100, Marcus Taylor wrote:
Slippery slope, thin wedge - call it what you like - the net result is
this is a backward step for this industry.
s/industry/country/
HMG are very keen to make policy decisions based on what is good for
business is good for the country.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17922214
VPNs could become the next front in the battle against piracy,
predicted independent
music analyst Mark Mulligan.
VPNs have far more legitimate uses than torrent indexes, so I'd say
they'd have a struggle on their hands. How would it
was
fine.
This morning, everything seems to be back to normal.
Adrian
-Original Message-
From: Steve Dyer [mailto:st...@enovi.com]
Sent: 30 April 2012 22:16
To: adr...@olddog.co.uk
Cc: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
Subject: Re: [uknof] Pirate Bay Block
On 30/04/2012 21:52, Adrian Farrel wrote
2012 22:16
To: adr...@olddog.co.uk
Cc: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
Subject: Re: [uknof] Pirate Bay Block
On 30/04/2012 21:52, Adrian Farrel wrote:
It's very quiet here on the subject.
What news?
Adrian
Everyone is perhaps struck dumb by the realisation that, after over
twenty years
On 01/05/2012 09:00, Adrian Farrel wrote:
Yeah, I agree with you and Martin: the Internet routes around failures, and this
is clearly a failure.
I was wondering if some operators wanted to share how they are going to try to
resolve the order from the court.
The order from the original court
On Tue, 2012-05-01 at 09:13 +0100, Steve Dyer wrote:
The order from the original court said that including the site in
Cleanfeed was sufficient to have actioned it. Cleanfeed, the Judge
knew, was trivial to circumvent, so he made the order in the knowledge
that it wouldn't actually work.
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 02:07:43PM +0100, Graeme Fowler wrote:
On Tue, 2012-05-01 at 09:13 +0100, Steve Dyer wrote:
The order from the original court said that including the site in
Cleanfeed was sufficient to have actioned it. Cleanfeed, the Judge
knew, was trivial to circumvent, so he
From: uknof-boun...@lists.uknof.org.uk [uknof-boun...@lists.uknof.org.uk] on
behalf of Steve Karmeinsky [steve-uk...@gbnet.net]
Sent: 01 May 2012 14:10
To: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
Subject: Re: [uknof] Pirate Bay Block
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 02:07:43PM +0100, Graeme Fowler wrote:
On Tue
...@lists.uknof.org.uk] On Behalf Of Anand Kumria
Sent: 01 May 2012 16:40
To: Neil J. McRae
Cc: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
Subject: Re: [uknof] Pirate Bay Block
Your statement is agreeing to this logic:
All drug dealers use phones.
Therefore all people who use phones are drug dealers.
Thus banning
From: Adrian Kennard [uk...@e.gg]
Sent: 01 May 2012 16:39
To: Neil J. McRae
Cc: Steve Karmeinsky; uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
Subject: Re: [uknof] Pirate Bay Block
On 01/05/12 16:24, Neil J. McRae wrote:
Whilst I personally believe that these solutions don't
On 1 May 2012, at 16:24, Neil J. McRae wrote:
Whilst I personally believe that these solutions don't work as a standalone
option I think we also need to remember that many if not all of the people
downloading stuff via TPB are actually breaking the law.
Are you actually sure about that?
: [uknof] Pirate Bay Block
Your statement is agreeing to this logic:
All drug dealers use phones.
Therefore all people who use phones are drug dealers.
Thus banning phones will reduce drug dealing.
A
On 1 May 2012 16:24, Neil J. McRae n...@domino.org wrote:
Whilst I personally believe
Whilst we can't expect a TV advert (...'you wouldn't steal a car'...) to hope
to educate users on the between tort and criminal law
Would you reasonably expect those adverts to educate anyone ?
You wouldn't hit your gran in the face with an ice cream and a flake
Chris
Knowledge
; uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
Subject: Re: [uknof] Pirate Bay Block
On 01/05/12 16:24, Neil J. McRae wrote:
Whilst I personally believe that these solutions don't work as a standalone
option I think we also need to remember that many if not all of the people
downloading stuff via TPB
J. McRae
Cc: Adrian Kennard; uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk; Steve Karmeinsky
Subject: Re: [uknof] Pirate Bay Block
On 01/05/2012 16:47, Neil J. McRae wrote:
I wonder how people would cope with that response if you saw someone
being mugged but did nothing about it? Doesn't bode well for us all
does
May 2012 16:52
To: Neil J. McRae
Cc: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
Subject: Re: [uknof] Pirate Bay Block
On 1 May 2012, at 16:24, Neil J. McRae wrote:
Whilst I personally believe that these solutions don't work as a standalone
option I think we also need to remember that many if not all
On 1 May 2012 21:51, Adrian Kennard uk...@e.gg wrote:
Oh, I know. But are we enough of a voice to cause sanity to prevail?
No; as Thomas pointed out... Lobbies are stopped by other lobbies. Time
to lobby
Aled
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Paul Cairney
paul.cair...@eu.equinix.com wrote:
(Please excuse the From: line, the folowing diartibe is mostly my personal
oppinion)
If only there was some sort of legal entity who could lobby on behalf of the
views that consensous of this list has concluded
On 01/05/2012 23:35, William Anderson wrote:
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Paul Cairney
paul.cair...@eu.equinix.com wrote:
(Please excuse the From: line, the folowing diartibe is mostly my personal
oppinion)
If only there was some sort of legal entity who could lobby on behalf of the
It's very quiet here on the subject.
What news?
Adrian
On 30/04/2012 21:52, Adrian Farrel wrote:
It's very quiet here on the subject.
What news?
Adrian
Everyone is perhaps struck dumb by the realisation that, after over
twenty years experience of the public internet, courts and law-makers
still haven't realised that this won't work.
Where is
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