Re: Vertical scripts (was: Tategaki (was: Re: Updated...))

2001-12-29 Thread DougEwell2
Tex Texin replied to Marco Cimarosti: >> Right-to-left vs. left-to-right are attributes of arbitrary *spans* of text, >> which can easily be mixed within the same paragraph. >> >> On the other hand, horizontal vs. vertical are attributes that can be only >> be applied to a whole paragraph or sec

Re: PDUTR #25: Unicode Support for Mathematics

2001-12-29 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 12:34 AM 12/28/01 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >If you want to define text/math, and provide the disappearing parenthesis >and precedence tables and everything, then that's fine, but I don't see >why it should be part of Unicode, anymore than full music rendering is part >of Unicode. It's a

Re: Vertical scripts (was: Tategaki (was: Re: Updated...))

2001-12-29 Thread Stefan Persson
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: den 26 december 2001 06:48 Subject: Re: Vertical scripts (was: Tategaki (was: Re: Updated...)) > Seeing that Unicode already has left-to-right and right-to-left override > characters, I

Re: Vertical scripts (was: Tategaki (was: Re: Updated...))

2001-12-29 Thread Stefan Persson
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: den 29 december 2001 08:47 Subject: Re: Vertical scripts (was: Tategaki (was: Re: Updated...)) > 1. Horizontal, that is, left-to-right (LTR) ver

Re: Vertical scripts (was: Tategaki (was: Re: Updated...))

2001-12-29 Thread Michael Everson
At 12:07 +0100 2001-12-29, Stefan Persson wrote: >Someone said that Unicode contains switches for LTR & RTL. By adding >switches for TTB and BTT this problem could be solved. It would also be >necessary to define a priority order (i.e. which of them that should come >first). > >As an alternative

Re: Vertical scripts (was: Tategaki (was: Re: Updated...))

2001-12-29 Thread Michael Everson
At 02:47 -0500 2001-12-29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Actually, there is a more serious problem involved with vertical directional >overrides: They would force the Unicode plain-text mechanism to become aware >of both vertical directionality and directional priority. This sounds >obvious, but in

Re: Vertical scripts (was: Tategaki (was: Re: Updated...))

2001-12-29 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Tex's example may or may not be realistic -- I have no way of knowing -- >but in suggesting a top-to-bottom directional override, I had hoped it >would be possible to represent a run of text such as Tex describes >without resorting to the infamous "hi

Re: Vertical scripts

2001-12-29 Thread Philipp Reichmuth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Stefan and others, >> 1. Horizontal, that is, left-to-right (LTR) versus right-to-left >> (RTL). >> 2. Vertical, that is, top-to-bottom (TTB) versus bottom-to-top (BTT). >> 3. Priority of direction (e.g. (LTR, TTB) versus (TTB, LTR)). >> [...]

Re: Vertical scripts

2001-12-29 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Philipp Reichmuth wrote: > Kind regards and happy new year to everyone (at least everyone > following the Gregorian calendar, that is :-) Oh, no. We use three calendars in Iran: Jalali, Hijri, and Gregorian. The official one is Jalali, for some holidays we use Hijri dates, a

Re: Vertical scripts (was: Tategaki (was: Re: Updated...))

2001-12-29 Thread Curtis Clark
At 04:00 AM 12/29/01, Michael Everson wrote: >When written in manuscripts and on computers, Ogham is written as Latin >is. When inscribed on stone, it is written bottom-to-top, along the top of >the stone, and then down to the bottom on the other side. I don't believe >that there are any exampl

Characters vs. glyphs in scholarly fonts

2001-12-29 Thread David J. Perry
We have all learned the difference between the Unicode character encoding model and the various forms that glyphs may take. How do people here suggest handling the following scenario? The ancient Roman monetary unit sestertius is not yet in Unicode. It might well be accepted if proposed, but wo

Strange plane 1 behaviour

2001-12-29 Thread Stefan Persson
I've noticed some strange things with plane 1 characters: * When I make a UTF-8 document and open it in Internet Explorer 5.5 under Windows 98, each letter is displayed as *two* square boxes. These square boxes do *not* represent the corresponding surrogate pairs. Each letter is 4 bytes long. *

Re: Vertical scripts (was: Tategaki (was: Re: Updated...))

2001-12-29 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 12:07 PM 12/29/01 +0100, Stefan Persson wrote: > > Seeing that Unicode already has left-to-right and right-to-left override > > characters, I wonder if a top-to-bottom override character might also be > > reasonable. > >Which are the code points for these characters? Please see http://www.uni

Re: Vertical scripts

2001-12-29 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 02:39 PM 12/29/01 +0100, Philipp Reichmuth wrote: >Admittedly, some directions are >rather arcane, but believe me, it will be possible to dig up some >ancient document or other which is written into any odd combination of >directions. If Unicode wants to achieve complete representation of any >

Re: Strange plane 1 behaviour

2001-12-29 Thread Tex Texin
Stefan, If you go to: http://www.geocities.com/i18nguy/unicode-example-plane1.html and you download and install the font from James Kass: http://home.att.net/~jameskass/CODE2001.ZIP you can display the plane 1 characters in the page. IE likes plane 1 characters only as NCRs (&#xX;). Some