William Overington
wrote:
> In view of the fact that some people are unwilling to let my ideas
> be discussed in this forum upon their academic merit but simply use
> an ad hominem attack almost every time I post (before many people
> can have the chance to sit down and, if they wish, have a ser
John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked:
> What's your view of BOCU?
I have BOCU-1 on my list of things to implement. I seem to recall being
disappointed at the lack of ASCII transparency, and feeling that the
compression performance relative to SCSU might not be worth making a
change, but it's an
Not without separate tools to do the input. Something that the current
proposal fails to mention.
By the time it is possible to do, no one will be using the OSes in question
any more (certainly no one who uses computers and plays chess!).
MichKa
Michael Kaplan
Trigeminal Software, Inc. -- http
Did anyone notice that Google now uses Unicode (UTF-8) in displaying the
search results? No more of that 'This page contains Russian characters
that..'
:)
roozbeh
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Frank da Cruz wrote:
>
> > As part of the release, I made some screen shots showing text in many
> > languages and writing systems on the same terminal screen:
> >
> > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/glass.html
> >
> > The CJK examples were so crowded I didn't notice until
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Frank da Cruz wrote:
> As part of the release, I made some screen shots showing text in many
> languages and writing systems on the same terminal screen:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/glass.html
>
> The CJK examples were so crowded I didn't notice until James Kass p
Frank da Cruz wrote:
> As part of the release, I made some screen shots showing text in many
> languages and writing systems on the same terminal screen:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/glass.html
>
> The CJK examples were so crowded I didn't notice until James
> Kass pointed it
> out that
> Did anyone notice that Google now uses Unicode (UTF-8) in displaying the
> search results? No more of that 'This page contains Russian characters
> that..'
Yes, noticed that yesterday, I searched for something Linux-related, and got lots
of hits to Chinese and Japanese translations of various L
Marco Cimarosti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frank da Cruz wrote:
> > As part of the release, I made some screen shots showing text in many
> > languages and writing systems on the same terminal screen:
> >
> > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/glass.html
> >
> > The CJK examples were so crowded
Doug Ewell wrote:
> (This is a moderated list, and Sarasvati could have withheld
> your postings if it were appropriate to do so, but it is not
> and she has not.)
Actually, this is a monitored list, not moderated. Truly
inappropriate material is handled by removing senders or
domains from parti
On 06/20/2002 10:48:27 AM "Doug Ewell" wrote:
>> it would be best for me not to post details of my research in this
>> forum.
Don't despair, William. Just please recognise that many of us don't have
the ability to read lots of long posts.
>Also, as I have tried to convey before, many of us l
Couldn't help but cringe at the last line of this press release.
Can anyone give me a quick update on the status of IDN standards work?
It's been a while since I checked it out...
WEB Addresses Take On New Look As Multilingual & Symbol-Based Capability
Launched
http://www.globalization.com/ne
Is this strictly true? I think there are cases where the results are
sent back ISO-8859-1. It would not surprise me if there was a more
complex algorithm which tried to determine the requesting browser.
I love UTF-8 but some older browsers do not tolerate it very well.
Sigh.
-Paul
-Original
At 10:32 6/20/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> The potentially interesting question of whether an OpenType fount may be
> >> programmed to produce a two colour display has not been discussed.
>
>Did you raise that question? That's something I might have noticed if it
>had been stated in a two-
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On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 9:42:12
Frank da Cruz wrote:
>> At 03:03 AM 6/20/02 -0400, Tom Finch wrote:
>> >I wish to propose sixteen consecutive digits for the purpose of displaying
>> >hexadecimal values. [...] Has this been considered?
>>
>> I seem to recall that it has. The problem is, t
> >> At 03:03 AM 6/20/02 -0400, Tom Finch wrote:
> >> >I wish to propose sixteen consecutive digits for the purpose of displaying
> >> >hexadecimal values. [...] Has this been considered?
> >>
[David Starner]
> >> I seem to recall that it has. The problem is, they're just new copies of
> >>
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Paul Deuter wrote:
>Is this strictly true? I think there are cases where the results are
>sent back ISO-8859-1.
Might be. However, try a search on "japanese" with IE. The first page is,
quite definitely, UTF-8. I'd say it's about time one of the major search
engines went ov
On 06/20/2002 01:34:34 PM John Hudson wrote:
>>The question interests me because a while ago now I was amusing myself
with
>>the idea of being able to do this kind of thing in Graphite (another
>>smart-font technology akin to OpenType) in order to emulate dual-coloured
>>Ethiopic manuscripts --
I think it is somehow tied into the whole ICANN political mess. I haven't sorted it
out yet but I am interested if anyone else has...
Barry Caplan
www.i18n.com
At 02:13 PM 6/20/2002 -0400, Suzanne M. Topping wrote:
>Couldn't help but cringe at the last line of this press release.
>
>Can anyone
On Thu Jun 20 21:10:16 2002 +0430 Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
>
>Did anyone notice that Google now uses Unicode (UTF-8) in displaying the
>search results? No more of that 'This page contains Russian characters
>that..'
>
>:)
>
No, it still has 'This page contains...' blurb. Does it require
It looks they are using UTF-8 starting from MSIE 5.5 or so, for all sites actually if
you search using their input form.
On Thu Jun 20 11:18:47 2002 -0700 Paul Deuter wrote:
>Is this strictly true? I think there are cases where the results are
>sent back ISO-8859-1. It would not surprise me i
At 13:13 6/20/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>If by "the options" you mean "what kind of mechanism would it take?", then
>it would amount to a substitution rule along the lines (using some pseudo
>notation) of
>
> gU1368 > gU1368_a [colour = red] gU1368_b [colour = black]
>
>or
>
> gU13
Thanks to Jungshik Shin for the solution to the problem and to Marco for
his comments; a corrected page reflecting both is up:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/glass.html
(if you looked at it before, you'll need to refresh the images). I also
added a bit more about BIDI, using the Hebrew Univer
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On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:56:25
Kenneth Whistler wrote:
>> >> At 03:03 AM 6/20/02 -0400, Tom Finch wrote:
>> >> >I wish to propose sixteen consecutive digits for the purpose of displaying
>> >> >hexadecimal values. [...] Has this been considered?
>> >>
>
>[David Starner]
>
>> >> I seem t
> In view of the fact that some people are unwilling to let my
> ideas be discussed in this forum upon their academic merit but simply use an
> ad hominem attack almost every time I post (before many people can have the
> chance to sit down and, if they wish, have a serious read of my ideas), when
> I wish to propose sixteen consecutive digits for the purpose
> of displaying hexadecimal values. The usefulness of this is
> very obvious--it would be extensively used in the unicode spec itself!
> ... Plus this makes numbers with hexadecimal characters unambiguously
> base sixteen.
Blue
On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 04:29:33PM +0700, Art - Arthit Suriyawongkul wrote:
> but as long as it can stores ASCII encoded text,
> it can also stores UTF-8 encoded text.
> (just store, not understand)
>
> if that's true,
> so, with some additional works (in user program layer, not MySQL),
> can we
Tom Finch wrote:
> Hexadecimal is very important and deserves to be in Plane 0.
Hmmm, well.. In this case, importance has nothing to do with it, and going
off on a comparison of the importance of Devanagari as opposed to Hex will
not prevail in this discussion.
Hex is already representable
Tom Finch scripsit:
> Hmm, so representing Devanagari digits is more important than
> hexadecimal, which is used almost more than decimal on the web? I know
> inertia is a law of the universe, but this is rediculous. Hexadecimal is
> very important and deserves to be in Plane 0. I see a good s
At 17:45 -0400 2002-06-20, Tom Finch wrote:
>Hmm, so representing Devanagari digits is more important than
>hexadecimal, which is used almost more than decimal on the web? I
>know inertia is a law of the universe, but this is rediculous.
>Hexadecimal is very important and deserves to be in Pl
Tom Finch said:
> Hmm, so representing Devanagari digits is more important
> than hexadecimal, which is used almost more than decimal
> on the web?
I think you may be misconstruing the purpose of the character
encoding here.
If I want to represent the hexadecimal numbers 0x60DB 0x618A
in emai
At 15:03 -0700 2002-06-20, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
>In any case, I wonder if Tom could explain what is special about
>hexadecimal expressed with "0".."9", "A".."F", as opposed to
>any other base numeric system that might be in widespread use,
>(duodecimal and vigesimal come to mind) which would l
Kenneth Whistler scripsit:
> In any case, I wonder if Tom could explain what is special about
> hexadecimal expressed with "0".."9", "A".."F", as opposed to
> any other base numeric system that might be in widespread use,
> (duodecimal and vigesimal come to mind) which would lead to a
> particul
For the scripts which have their own digits, are there conventions to
write hexadecimal numbers with those digits? If I read a Devanagari text
book, will I see "20A7", or "२०?७" (where "?" stands for whatever is
used for A)?
Thanks,
Eric.
--
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:14:13
Rick McGowan wrote:
>Tom Finch wrote:
>
>> Hexadecimal is very important and deserves to be in Plane 0.
>
>Hmmm, well.. In this case, importance has nothing to do with it, and going
>off on a comparison of the importance of Devanagari as opposed to Hex will
--
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:14:13
Rick McGowan wrote:
>What is the problem you are trying to solve by encoding 16 things in a
>row?
To answer this, it is better to have 16 in a row as it makes computation of a numeric
value from the character value easier and more straightforward. A diff
On Thursday, June 20, 2002, at 03:25 PM, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
> I think what a number of people on the list have been hinting -- or
> openly stating -- is that prolixity is not a virtue on an email list
> when trying to convey one's ideas.
>
IOW, brevity's wit's soul.
==
John H. Jen
--
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:00:15
Eric Muller wrote:
>For the scripts which have their own digits, are there conventions to
>write hexadecimal numbers with those digits? If I read a Devanagari text
>book, will I see "20A7", or "२०?७" (where "?" stands for whatever is
>used for A)?
>
>Thanks
Hmmm. I was hoping this discussion would go away after the initial round
of reasons why it won't happen.
> The problem being solved is properly supporting the base sixteen system.
It is already properly supported. In fact, Unicode contains far more than
a mere 16 entities sufficient for hex
From: "Tom Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Rick McGowan wrote:
>
> >What is the problem you are trying to solve by encoding 16 things in a
> >row?
>
> To answer this, it is better to have 16 in a row as it makes computation
of a
> numeric value from the character value easier and more straightforwa
> IOW, brevity's wit's soul.
Well-spoken, dear Polonius. But better to
Adorn the soul of wit so briefly put to us.
"My liege, and madam, to expostulate
What majesty should be, what duty is,
Why day is day, night is night, and time is time.
Were nothing but to waste night, day, and time.
Therefo
At 10:12 AM 6/20/02 +0100, Avarangal wrote:
>Long time ago I raised this matter in this forum. Hope you will go through
>filling the proposal forms, etc...
>
>In addition to your reasons, hex code code points need to be established but
>not the character shapes. All languages may not need to use t
google also seems to sniff locales, for instance it feeds me thai langauge
pages when i use thai locale on my browser.
> Might be. However, try a search on "japanese" with IE. The first page is,
> quite definitely, UTF-8. I'd say it's about time one of the major search
> engines went over to Unic
This is especially in reference to those hex digits. Here is what i have to
say about the matter:
To discourage frivolous character proposals, the Unicode Consortium
requires you to come up with these (I am not sure if this is all the
requirements, there might be more):
1. You gotta fill out a
I'm wondering if Adobe Indesign supports Unicode? It seems to support Unicode
characters when pasted from Word (CF_RTFTEXT?) -- albeit with the wrong fonts, but not
when pasted from Notepad (CF_UNICODETEXT) -- which ends up with question marks.
I cannot type Unicode characters at all (either w
Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote,
> Not without separate tools to do the input. Something that the current
> proposal fails to mention.
>
In fairness we should note that formal existing proposals seldom
mention input method. Code points need to be assigned before
input methods can be made.
So
Perhaps the Ewellic forms should be used rather than risk the
possibility of being perceived as ASCII-centric?
http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/ewellic.html
All we'd need to do is wait for Doug Ewell to provide the glyphs for
hexadecimal digits ten through fifteen and wait for CSUR to a
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