On 11/02/2002 10:22:52 AM Thomas Lotze wrote:
Regardless of how the document is coded, the fact remains that ligature
glyph shapes have to be stored in the font, at some code point.
No, they do not. For instance, in recent versions of Times New Roman, you
will find 208 glyphs that are not
On 11/02/2002 04:43:40 PM Thomas Lotze wrote:
I don't see any harm in assigning standard UVs to ligatures
other than that users who don't understand the difference between font
encoding and text encoding will be encouraged to use them in documents.
I don't consider that harm insignficant. Also,
On 11/02/2002 03:59:53 PM Doug Ewell wrote:
Using ZWJ to control ligation is admittedly a new concept, and it may
not have been taken up yet by many vendors, but that seems like a really
poor reason to discourage the Unicode approach.
I think not all vendors are entirely happy with it, at least
On 11/02/2002 12:15:54 PM Michael \(michka\) Kaplan wrote:
.xml UTF-8N Some XML processors may not cope with BOM
Maybe they need to upgrade? Since people often edit the files in notepad,
many files are going to have it. A parser that cannot accept this reality
is
not going to make it very
On 11/02/2002 11:59:24 AM Joseph Boyle wrote:
The first time I thought of UTF-8Y it sounded too flippant, but actually
it
is fairly self-explanatory if UTF-8 is taken as a given, and has the
virtue
of being short.
UTF-8Y (and UTF-8J) is not at all intuitive. UTF-8-yuk? The better
counterpart
Even a casual inspection of available screen fonts and printed examples
shows a variance in acute accent angles
On this general topic, some may take interest in my co-worker Victor
Gaultney's recently completed MA dissertation for U. of Reading, entitled
Problems of diacritic design for
On 11/02/2002 08:24:06 AM Thomas Lotze wrote:
Indeed, it seems more likely that one
would need to use a Fraktur font with ligatures encoded with a code
number below 255,
Why below 255?
It's a good question, why below 255. It indicates a lack of understanding
of how fonts work -- at least
On 11/02/2002 10:06:53 AM jameskass wrote:
Many Unicoders regard the PUA as some kind of a Phantom Zone
into which all of the bad glyphs are banished forever, never
to again be mentioned in polite society.
That's not how I would characterise the situation at all. It's that
they're tired of
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In particular, I'm thinking of a situation about a year and a half ago
(IIRC) in which Michael (and I and others) were strongly opposed to a
suggestion that the Unicode Consortium should document a certain variation
(perversion, some would say) of one of the Unicode
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I find it interesting, then, to see Michael saying that, since Notepad
sticks a BOM-cum-signature at the start of its UTF-8, the rest of the
world should support it.
There is another argument, viz. ISO/IEC 10646, which plainly proclaims
that the 8-BOM is a valid
On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 02:59 PM, Doug Ewell wrote:
Using ZWJ to control ligation is admittedly a new concept, and it may
not have been taken up yet by many vendors, but that seems like a
really
poor reason to discourage the Unicode approach.
Proprietary layout features in OT-savvy
Little probability that right double quote would appear at the start of a
document either. Doesn't mean that you are free to delete it (*and* say that
you are not modifying the contents).
I agree that when the UTC decides that a BOM is *only* to be used as a
signature, and that it would be ok to
First, the ` is not a quote mark: it is a grave accent/ Second, it also
doesn/t say that you can/t use a slash/ say/ instead of a comma/ apostrophe/
or period/ But that doesn/t mean it/s a good idea/
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I don't know what you are trying to say. Perhaps you could explain it at the
meeting next week.
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From: Michael (michka) Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mark Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED];
From: Mark Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ironic that for the purpose of dealing with THREE bytes that so many bytes
are being wasted. :-)
Little probability that right double quote would appear at the start of a
document either. Doesn't mean that you are free to delete it (*and* say
that
you are
Mark Davis mark dot davis at jtcsv dot com wrote:
Little probability that right double quote would appear at the start
of a document either. Doesn't mean that you are free to delete it
(*and* say that you are not modifying the contents).
True, but right double quote:
(a) has a visible glyph
Mark Davis mark dot davis at jtcsv dot com wrote:
First, the ` is not a quote mark: it is a grave accent/ Second, it
also doesn/t say that you can/t use a slash/ say/ instead of a comma/
apostrophe/ or period/ But that doesn/t mean it/s a good idea/
It's a terrible idea. I hate ``this
John H. Jenkins jenkins at apple dot com wrote:
Remember, though that the Unicode approach is that ZWJ is *not* the
preferred Unicode way to support things like a discretionary ct
ligature in Latin text. The standard says that the preferred way to
handle this is through higher-level
At 15:09 11/3/2002, Doug Ewell wrote:
This is what I am proposing be changed: fonts and/or rendering engines
(wherever the intelligence lies, depending on the vendor technology)
should be updated to recognize letter + ZWJ + letter (and similar
combinations of 3 or more letters) as a request to
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- Original Message -
From: Michael (michka) Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mark Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Unicode Mailing List
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Subject: Re: Names
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- Original Message -
From: Michael (michka) Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mark Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Unicode Mailing List
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Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 13:02
Subject: Re: Names
So even if it were in there, who cares? I mean, can anyone explain why it
would make a difference?
I personally wouldn't care if every instance of Michael Kaplan at the
start of a file were deleted. Not the point.
The actual point is that currently, as defined -- not as you would wish for
it
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