Re: ? Reasonable to propose stability policy on numeric type = decimal

2010-07-24 Thread Mark Davis ☕
Michael, what you are also probably not realizing is that the request is not for *all* numbers, but for decimal numbers (general_category=decimal_number) http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=[:general_category:decimal_number :] >From just a quick scan, it appears that they are cu

Re: ? Reasonable to propose stability policy on numeric type = decimal

2010-07-24 Thread Michael Everson
On 25 Jul 2010, at 02:02, Bill Poser wrote: > As I said, it isn't a huge issue, but scattering the digits makes the > programming a bit more complex and error-prone and the programs a little less > efficient. But it would still *work*. So my hyperbole was not outrageous. And nobody has actuall

Re: ? Reasonable to propose stability policy on numeric type = decimal

2010-07-24 Thread Bill Poser
> Bill, > Michael is no programmer, hence he doesn't have first hand understanding why > programmers distiguish between character set mapping (normally requiring > look-up tables) and digit conversion (normally done by offset calculations). > > That said, there are enough programmers on the committ

Fwd: ? Reasonable to propose stability policy on numeric type = decimal

2010-07-24 Thread Bill Poser
-- Forwarded message -- From: Bill Poser Date: Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 6:02 PM Subject: Re: ? Reasonable to propose stability policy on numeric type = decimal To: Michael Everson On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Michael Everson wrote: > On 24 Jul 2010, at 23:00, Bill Poser wrote:

Re: ? Reasonable to propose stability policy on numeric type = decimal

2010-07-24 Thread Michael Everson
On 25 Jul 2010, at 01:34, karl williamson wrote: > the proposal did not ask for ones at one or eights at eight. It asked for > contiguity. Why is this ad odds with common sense and practical > code-position assignment? It is unnecessary to make a rule about it. Michael Everson * http://www.e

Re: ? Reasonable to propose stability policy on numeric type = decimal

2010-07-24 Thread karl williamson
Michael Everson wrote: On 24 Jul 2010, at 23:00, Bill Poser wrote: On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Michael Everson wrote: Digits can be scattered randomly about the code space and it wouldn't make any difference. Having written a library for performing conversions between Unicode strings

Re: ? Reasonable to propose stability policy on numeric type = decimal

2010-07-24 Thread Michael Everson
On 24 Jul 2010, at 23:00, Bill Poser wrote: > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Michael Everson wrote: > >> Digits can be scattered randomly about the code space and it wouldn't make >> any difference. > > Having written a library for performing conversions between Unicode strings > and number

Re: ? Reasonable to propose stability policy on numeric type = decimal

2010-07-24 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 7/24/2010 3:00 PM, Bill Poser wrote: On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Michael Everson wrote: Digits can be scattered randomly about the code space and it wouldn't make any difference. Having written a library for performing conversions between Unicode strings and numbers, I disag

Re: ? Reasonable to propose stability policy on numeric type = decimal

2010-07-24 Thread Bill Poser
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Michael Everson wrote: > Digits can be scattered randomly about the code space and it wouldn't make > any difference. Having written a library for performing conversions between Unicode strings and numbers, I disagree. While it is not all that hard to deal with

Re: ? Reasonable to propose stability policy on numeric type = decimal

2010-07-24 Thread Michael Everson
On 24 Jul 2010, at 20:34, karl williamson wrote: > What would the problems be of having a stability policy in regards to > assigning characters to have numeric type = decimal, something like the > following: > > "New scripts or forms (like mathematical mono space) that have decimal > numbers

? Reasonable to propose stability policy on numeric type = decimal

2010-07-24 Thread karl williamson
What would the problems be of having a stability policy in regards to assigning characters to have numeric type = decimal, something like the following: "New scripts or forms (like mathematical mono space) that have decimal numbers will be assigned so that those decimal numbers occupy at least

Re: Using Combining Double Breve and expressing characters perhaps as if struck out.

2010-07-24 Thread Philippe Verdy
"Kent Karlsson" wrote: > Den 2010-07-24 10.07, skrev "Philippe Verdy" : > > > Double diacritics have a combining property equal to zero, so they > > No, they don't. The above ones have combining class 234 and the below > ones have combining class 233 (other characters with the word DOUBLE > in the

Re: Using Combining Double Breve and expressing characters perhaps as if struck out.

2010-07-24 Thread Philippe Verdy
"Clark S. Cox III" > How can *any* combining character have a combining class of zero? Isn't that > a contradiction in terms? > > The U+035D in your example, for instance, has a combining class of 234. No contradiction. Not all combining characters have a non-zero combining class. The combining

re: Using Combining Double Breve and expressing characters perhaps as if struck out.

2010-07-24 Thread verdy_p
> De : vanis...@boil.afraid.org > Guys, does nobody read the bloody Standard anymore!? > > You CAN currently add a diacritic on top of a double diacritic. The "other" > base character is called the Combining Grapheme Joiner (U+304F). Sorry, I had forgotten this one. Note that I was not sure abou

Re: Using Combining Double Breve and expressing characters perhaps as if struck out.

2010-07-24 Thread Kent Karlsson
Den 2010-07-24 10.07, skrev "Philippe Verdy" : > Double diacritics have a combining property equal to zero, so they No, they don't. The above ones have combining class 234 and the below ones have combining class 233 (other characters with the word DOUBLE in them are 'double' in some other way):

re: Using Combining Double Breve and expressing characters perhaps as if struck out.

2010-07-24 Thread vanisaac
Guys, does nobody read the bloody Standard anymore!? You CAN currently add a diacritic on top of a double diacritic. The "other" base character is called the Combining Grapheme Joiner (U+304F). >From V. 5.0, ch 7.9: Occasionally one runs across orthographic conventions that use a dot, an acute

re: Using Combining Double Breve and expressing characters perhaps as if struck out.

2010-07-24 Thread verdy_p
"Philippe Verdy" wrote: > But even with this case, you wont be able to encode with the ZWJ trick > in plain text, such groupings that are expressed this way in TeX: > > \breve{ \breve{oo} x \breve{ o\acute{o} } } > > Because double diacritics encoded in Unicode can't be safely stacked > together

re: Using Combining Double Breve and expressing characters perhaps as if struck out.

2010-07-24 Thread Philippe Verdy
> Message du 24/07/10 09:02 > De : "William_J_G Overington" > A : unicode@unicode.org > Copie à : wjgo_10...@btinternet.com > Objet : Using Combining Double Breve and expressing characters perhaps as if > struck out. > > > I have been looking at the following thread, which is entitled "Making Fon

re: ISO 15924 update

2010-07-24 Thread verdy_p
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