Re: Application that displays CJK text in Normalization Form D

2010-11-15 Thread Doug Ewell
Kent Karlsson wrote: Crap. Yes, Ken and BabelPad are right. Some ideographs do have singleton mappings and can thus be different between NFD and NFC. No, both NFD and NFC will map U+FA47 to U+6F22; singleton canonical mappings are not "reversed" in the composition phase of transforming to

Re: CJK Compatibility Gotchas (was: Re: Application that displays CJK text in Normalization Form D

2010-11-15 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 11/15/2010 5:43 PM, Kenneth Whistler wrote: Perhaps someone would like to make a detailed proposal to the UTC for how to fix the text and charts?;-) Ken, having shown yourself the master of detail in your reply, I think you've appointed yourself. A round of applause for Ken! See how eas

CJK Compatibility Gotchas (was: Re: Application that displays CJK text in Normalization Form D

2010-11-15 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Asmus replied: > On 11/15/2010 2:24 PM, Kenneth Whistler wrote: > >> FA47 is a "compatibility character", and would have a > >> compatibility mapping. > > Faulty syllogism. > > Formally correct answer but only because of something of a design flaw > in Unicode. When the type of mapping was deci

Re: Application that displays CJK text in Normalization Form D

2010-11-15 Thread Kent Karlsson
Den 2010-11-15 23:53, skrev "Doug Ewell" : >> When I type the ideograph 漢 (U+FA47) into BabelPad, highlight it, and >> then click the button labeled "Normalize to NFC", the character >> becomes 漢 (U+6F22). Does BabelPad not conform to the Unicode Standard >> in this case? Is this not truly Unicod

Re: Application that displays CJK text in Normalization Form D

2010-11-15 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 11/15/2010 2:24 PM, Kenneth Whistler wrote: FA47 is a "compatibility character", and would have a compatibility mapping. Faulty syllogism. Formally correct answer but only because of something of a design flaw in Unicode. When the type of mapping was decided on, people didn't fully expect

RE: Application that displays CJK text in Normalization Form D

2010-11-15 Thread Doug Ewell
Jim Monty wrote: > How cool is it to post an inquiry to the Unicode mailing list and have > Unicode luminaries like Mark Davis, Asmus Freytag, Markus Scherer, > Martin Dürst and Doug Ewell ALL reply? Don't count me among the luminaries. I'm just a student too, studying Unicode for 19 years now,

RE: Application that displays CJK text in Normalization Form D

2010-11-15 Thread Kenneth Whistler
> FA47 is a "compatibility character", and would have a compatibility mapping. Faulty syllogism. FA47 is a CJK Compatibility character, which means it was encoded for compatibility purposes -- in this case to cover the round-trip mapping needed for JIS X 0213. However, it has a *canonical* deco

RE: Application that displays CJK text in Normalization Form D

2010-11-15 Thread Shawn Steele
FA47 is a "compatibility character", and would have a compatibility mapping. -Original Message- From: unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Jim Monty Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 1:02 PM To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Application that display

RE: Application that displays katakana and Hangul text in Normalization Form D [Was Re: Application that displays CJK text in Normalization Form D] :-)

2010-11-15 Thread Peter Constable
Jim, behaviour will depend on fonts being used. It could also depend on the version of software you are using. Windows 7 has pretty good support (fonts and Uniscribe) for all of this. Peter -Original Message- From: unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] On Beha

RE: Application that displays CJK text in Normalization Form D

2010-11-15 Thread Doug Ewell
Another point: > Aren't the two versions of the same Unicode text supposed to be > rendered the same? They're not, at least not in any of the > applications in which I've viewed them: Microsoft Internet Explorer, > Microsoft Notepad, Vim, BabelPad and SC Unipad. SC UniPad uses its own built-in fo

Re: Application that displays CJK text in Normalization Form D

2010-11-15 Thread Jim Monty
Doug Ewell wrote: > And no, I did not intend to make this big a deal out of it, and I > apologize for doing so. Nor did I. I'm a genuine student of Unicode, here to learn. It seems many of the regular contributors to the Unicode and Unicore mailing lists are the Unicode experts themselves, many

RE: Application that displays CJK text in Normalization Form D

2010-11-15 Thread Peter Constable
On Windows, strings will display correctly in either NFC or NFD provided an appropriate font is used--that choice being different for Japanese and for Korean. Windows 7 and earlier do not ship with fonts that support Old Hangul, but Old Hangul fonts are available from other sources; e.g. there's