Re: Sorting and Volapük (from Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük))

2012-01-02 Thread William_J_G Overington
Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: On 1 Jan 2012, at 19:46, Julian Bradfield wrote: ... So you should be able to define your own locales. How? I am not a programmer. Well, the first step is to try to find out what is needed, by trying to find an analogous case. For

Re: Sorting and Volapük

2012-01-02 Thread Szelp, A. Sz.
Indeed, I can confirm that behaviour for ö and ü. However, Hungarian does not have ä which is part of Volapük. (And if it's nevertheless there, e.g. in name-lists containing foreign names, or Hungarian names of foreign (German) origin, ä is sorted as a). So Hungarian is neither a perfect fit as a

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-02 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-01-01, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: So it is. Do you know how to compile system-level sorting algorithms for such a real operating system? No, but if I wanted to I would find out. If MacOS has left the standard-ish Unixy documentation around, man 5 locale should tell

Re: Sorting and Volapük

2012-01-02 Thread Michael Everson
On 2 Jan 2012, at 11:07, Szelp, A. Sz. wrote: Indeed, I can confirm that behaviour for ö and ü. However, Hungarian does not have ä which is part of Volapük. (And if it's nevertheless there, e.g. in name-lists containing foreign names, or Hungarian names of foreign (German) origin, ä is

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-02 Thread Steffen Daode Nurpmeso
Hi, How? I am not a programmer. Applications - Utilities - Terminal.app $ man 1 mklocale $ man 1 colldef pay somebody to do it for you $ cd $TMPDIR $ mkdir c:\\vodka cd c\:\\vodka # yes it's still Mac OS X $ curl

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-02 Thread Kent Karlsson
Except that MacOS X *applications* (as apart from more POSIXy programs, and Terminal.app) should not use the POSIX locales, but should use the CLDR locales (via an Apple API or via ICU)... (Yes, I know, CLDR have POSIX locales format files covering **some** of the CLDR data...) And ISO 8859-15?