Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-02 Thread Kent Karlsson
Except that MacOS X *applications* (as apart from more POSIXy programs, and Terminal.app) should not use the POSIX locales, but should use the CLDR locales (via an Apple API or via ICU)... (Yes, I know, CLDR have POSIX locales format files covering **some** of the CLDR data...) And ISO 8859-15? R

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-02 Thread Steffen Daode Nurpmeso
Hi, > >How? I am not a programmer. Applications -> Utilities -> Terminal.app $ man 1 mklocale $ man 1 colldef > pay somebody to do it for you $ cd $TMPDIR $ mkdir c:\\vodka && cd c\:\\vodka # yes it's still Mac OS X $ curl 'http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/~checkou

Re: Sorting and Volapük

2012-01-02 Thread Michael Everson
On 2 Jan 2012, at 11:07, Szelp, A. Sz. wrote: > Indeed, I can confirm that behaviour for "ö" and "ü". However, Hungarian does > not have "ä" which is part of Volapük. (And if it's > nevertheless there, e.g. in name-lists containing foreign names, or Hungarian > names of foreign (German) origin,

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-02 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-01-01, Michael Everson wrote: > So it is. Do you know how to compile system-level sorting algorithms for such > a real operating system? No, but if I wanted to I would find out. If MacOS has left the standard-ish Unixy documentation around, man 5 locale should tell you the format of loc

Re: Sorting and Volapük

2012-01-02 Thread Szelp, A. Sz.
Indeed, I can confirm that behaviour for "ö" and "ü". However, Hungarian does not have "ä" which is part of Volapük. (And if it's nevertheless there, e.g. in name-lists containing foreign names, or Hungarian names of foreign (German) origin, "ä" is sorted as "a"). So Hungarian is neither a perfect

Re: Sorting and Volapük (from Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük))

2012-01-02 Thread William_J_G Overington
Michael Everson wrote: > On 1 Jan 2012, at 19:46, Julian Bradfield wrote: ... > > So you should be able to define your own locales. > > How? I am not a programmer. Well, the first step is to try to find out what is needed, by trying to find an analogous case. For example, does your com