Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Szelp, A. Sz.
Andreas, Asmus, let me have my two coins as well... > > > The Turks did not present “a new symbol”. They presented a new design > > > for an existing symbol (₤) which stands in for an existing currency. > > > A new design makes it a new symbol. Especially a radical new design. > > What makes a sym

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
How about using U+3082? ? ? ~mark

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 5/22/2012 4:10 PM, Benjamin M Scarborough wrote: (Personally, I don't understand the current hubbub about inventing new currency signs, but whatever.) —Ben Scarborough Currency symbol envy, pure and simple. The Euro started it - it was intended to challenge pound and dollar, that was prob

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Sent from my Android phone On May 23, 2012 4:02 AM, "Andreas Stötzner" wrote: > For the ₤ we can define EXACTLY what it is: a scriptive capital Latin L with a double crossbar, in this very combination standing in for the term “Lira” (derived from Latin “libra”), meaning a monetary unit of that sa

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Benjamin M Scarborough
On May 22, 2012, at 08:18, Shriramana Sharma wrote: > Any reason why the glyph of the current existing character 20A4 ₤ LIRA > SIGN could not have been changed instead? The glyph is similar to that > of 00A3 £ POUND SIGN, and 20A4 was *anyway* not used in favour of > 00A3, so it's not as if any oth

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Andreas Stötzner
Am 22.05.2012 um 22:36 schrieb Asmus Freytag: > This came out of an offline discussion, but I answered this in some > detail and think it's useful to have this associated with the discussion > on the list. > > A./ – it should have gone to the list, my fault –. > > > On 5/22/2012 12:40 AM, An

Re: CaseFirst and CaseLevel Tailorings of UCA and LDML

2012-05-22 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Tue, 22 May 2012 08:33:43 -0700 Markus Scherer wrote: > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Richard Wordingham < > richard.wording...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:07:33 -0700 > > Markus Scherer wrote: > > > I can dig up the ICU code that computes the > > > collation case b

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Asmus Freytag
This came out of an offline discussion, but I answered this in some detail and think it's useful to have this associated with the discussion on the list. A./ On 5/22/2012 12:40 AM, Andreas Stötzner wrote: Am 22.05.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Asmus Freytag: There is an early precedent, going back

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 5/22/2012 2:23 AM, Michael Everson wrote: On 22 May 2012, at 08:11, Andreas Stötzner wrote: Am 22.05.2012 um 00:22 schrieb Michael Everson: If Greece ceases to use the euro and uses the drachma instead, and if they create any kind of symbol for it, I think whatever glyph is devised will be

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 5/22/2012 2:22 AM, Michael Everson wrote: On 22 May 2012, at 06:13, Asmus Freytag wrote: Before this discussion deep ends. There is an early precedent, going back to the Euro sign, of Unicode adding a new character instead of "repurposing" any existing character that may seem to be unused

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 5/22/2012 2:22 AM, Michael Everson wrote: On 22 May 2012, at 06:51, Erkki I Kolehmainen wrote: In line with what was decided for the EURO SIGN (20AC) vs. the EURO-CURRENCY SIGN (20A0), I find it difficult to agree with Michael on the speculative question of any possibly emerging new Greek

RE: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Peter Constable
From: Shriramana Sharma [mailto:samj...@gmail.com] > Any reason why the glyph of the current existing character 20A4 ₤ LIRA SIGN > could not have been changed instead? The glyph is similar to that of 00A3 £ > POUND SIGN, and 20A4 was *anyway* not used in favour of 00A3... In addition to Asmus'

Re: CaseFirst and CaseLevel Tailorings of UCA and LDML

2012-05-22 Thread Markus Scherer
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Richard Wordingham < richard.wording...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:07:33 -0700 > Markus Scherer wrote: > > > In principle, it's straightforward: Lowercase and uppercase follow > > Unicode (UCD) case properties. We distinguish an intermediate "mi

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Andreas Prilop
On Sun, 20 May 2012, Michael Everson wrote: >> - kh with *continuous* underline (romanization of U+0959) ? > > No. Whose romanization is that? http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/romanization/hindi.pdf http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stone-catend/trimain3.htm

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Szelp, A. Sz.
> I always wondered about the strange Drachma glyph in the standard: a > Latin script D connected to a greek rho. > What you identify as a "Latin script D" is probably also a "Greek script D". cf. also the Cyrillic script D, which coincides with the Latin, even though the roman (and even printed

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Michael Everson
On 22 May 2012, at 08:11, Andreas Stötzner wrote: Am 22.05.2012 um 00:22 schrieb Michael Everson: > >> If Greece ceases to use the euro and uses the drachma instead, and if they >> create any kind of symbol for it, I think whatever glyph is devised will be >> applied to the existing character. >

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Michael Everson
On 22 May 2012, at 06:51, Erkki I Kolehmainen wrote: > In line with what was decided for the EURO SIGN (20AC) vs. the EURO-CURRENCY > SIGN (20A0), I find it difficult to agree with Michael on the speculative > question of any possibly emerging new Greek currency. The ECU was not really the same

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Michael Everson
On 22 May 2012, at 06:13, Asmus Freytag wrote: > Before this discussion deep ends. > > There is an early precedent, going back to the Euro sign, of Unicode adding a > new character instead of "repurposing" any existing character that may seem > to be unused. > > The principle there is, that un

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Michael Everson
On 22 May 2012, at 01:47, Doug Ewell wrote: > I think Peter was talking about the Turkish lira sign, not the Greek drachma > sign. My mistake. Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Re: CaseFirst and CaseLevel Tailorings of UCA and LDML

2012-05-22 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:07:33 -0700 Markus Scherer wrote: > In principle, it's straightforward: Lowercase and uppercase follow > Unicode (UCD) case properties. We distinguish an intermediate "mixed > case" for titlecase characters and mixed-case contractions. I believe > we also distinguish small/

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Andreas Stötzner wrote: > > Am 22.05.2012 um 00:22 schrieb Michael Everson: > > If Greece ceases to use the euro and uses the drachma instead, and if they > create any kind of symbol for it, I think whatever glyph is devised will be > applied to the existing chara

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Andreas Stötzner
Am 22.05.2012 um 00:22 schrieb Michael Everson: > If Greece ceases to use the euro and uses the drachma instead, and if they > create any kind of symbol for it, I think whatever glyph is devised will be > applied to the existing character. This is exactly what should be done with the Turkish L