Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

2012-07-09 Thread Joó Ádám
> A very quick browse of Wikipedia showed me that the > colon as division sign is common in Ukraine, Russia, Sweden and Germany > too. (Thus, English Wikipedia fittingly acknowledges that 'In some > non-English-speaking cultures, "a divided by b" is written a : b.' [9]) In Hungary it is the notati

Re: Romanized Singhala - Think about it again

2012-07-09 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 05:20:45 +0200 Jean-François Colson wrote: > Le 09/07/12 01:29, Naena Guru a écrit : > > Number of letters in Singhala is only theoretical. In the case of > > Singhala orthography, the actually used number depends on the > > Sanskrit vocabulary. > Do you mean there are many

Re: Charset declaration in HTML (was: Romanized Singhala - Think about it again)

2012-07-09 Thread Naena Guru
Thank you Otto. Sorry for delay in replying. I spent the entire Sunday replying Jaques twins. You are absolutely right about choice between ISO-8859-1 and UTF-8. I shouldn't have said 'using ISO-8859-1 is advantageous over UTF-8' It is efficient if your pages are written in a language that uses s

Re: Sinhala naming conventions

2012-07-09 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Erkki I Kolehmainen wrote: > Why don't you translate the appropriate set of character names for local use? I'm a Tamilian from Tamil Nadu, India and can't even read more than a few letters of the Sinhala script. :-) Harshula and others are Sinhala people on this

VS: Sinhala naming conventions

2012-07-09 Thread Erkki I Kolehmainen
Why don't you translate the appropriate set of character names for local use? We have translated into Finnish the names of the 10646 collection defined as MES-2 (Multilingual European Subset - 2). Admittedly, we should do some maintenance on this. Regards, Erkki I. Kolehmainen -Alkuperäine

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

2012-07-09 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-07-10 5:32, Asmus Freytag wrote: There are many characters that are used in professional mathematical typesetting (division slash being one of them) that need to be narrowly distinguished from other, roughly similar characters. Typographic differences can be made at glyph selection level,

Sinhala naming conventions

2012-07-09 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Changing the subject line. On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Harshula wrote: > 0D9A ක sinhala letter ka > = SINHALA LETTER ALPAPRAANA KAYANNA Hi -- while I agree with Michael that it would be better to have had a uniform naming standard across all Indic scripts which are perhaps more globally and

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

2012-07-09 Thread Asmus Freytag
There are many characters that are used in professional mathematical typesetting (division slash being one of them) that need to be narrowly distinguished from other, roughly similar characters. The point is that these characters can be distinguished from each other when printed, and that there

Re: ASSAMESE AND BENGALI CONTROVERSY IN UNICODE STANDARD ::::: SOLUTIONS

2012-07-09 Thread Harshula
Hi Michael, On Mon, 2012-07-09 at 14:42 +0100, Michael Everson wrote: > On 9 Jul 2012, at 14:32, Harshula wrote: > > > Are you complaining about the inclusion of traditional native > Sinhala terms for the letters? e.g. From the code chart: > > Yes, I was complaining about that. a) Is that beca

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

2012-07-09 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:39:52 +0200 Leif Halvard Silli wrote: > Jukka K. Korpela, Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:04:08 +0300: > > Adding new characters would be possible in principle, but hardly > > realistic or useful in this case. They would not change the bulk of > > existing data that uses existing ch

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

2012-07-09 Thread Philippe Verdy
There's something that is underused in the OpenType specification : the possibility to bind different glyphs according to a given language. If we had semantic characters encoded instead of just characters encoded for their core visual aspect, we could make the difference between cultures, according

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

2012-07-09 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Jukka K. Korpela, Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:14:56 +0300: > 2012-07-09 11:39, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: > In practice, it’s always a symbol of division in calculators. It wasn't always like that. Take the Danish Contex calculators: * Contex mechanical calculator from the 1960-ies using 'Div' instead

Re: ASSAMESE AND BENGALI CONTROVERSY IN UNICODE STANDARD ::::: SOLUTIONS

2012-07-09 Thread Doug Ewell
Michael Everson wrote: > We have the same sort of thing in Chakma. > http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U11100.pdf Yes, but for Chakma (unlike Sinhala) the transliterated names are the descriptions, and the less-familiar native names are the annotations: 11100 𑄀 CHAKMA SIGN CANDRABINDU

Re: ASSAMESE AND BENGALI CONTROVERSY IN UNICODE STANDARD ::::: SOLUTIONS

2012-07-09 Thread Michael Everson
We have the same sort of thing in Chakma. http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U11100.pdf Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Re: ASSAMESE AND BENGALI CONTROVERSY IN UNICODE STANDARD ::::: SOLUTIONS

2012-07-09 Thread Michael Everson
Hi Harshula, On 9 Jul 2012, at 14:32, Harshula wrote: > Are you complaining about the inclusion of traditional native Sinhala terms > for the letters? e.g. From the code chart: Yes, I was complaining about that. > The transliterated form appears there too Yes, I know, but this isn't "better"

Re: ASSAMESE AND BENGALI CONTROVERSY IN UNICODE STANDARD ::::: SOLUTIONS

2012-07-09 Thread Harshula
Hi Michael, On Sun, 2012-07-08 at 12:39 +0100, Michael Everson wrote: > On 8 Jul 2012, at 11:44, Shriramana Sharma wrote: > > > @Unicode veterans: Given that almost the entire Sinhala block has > informative aliases giving alternate names for the characters, > > That is only because when Sinhala

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

2012-07-09 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-07-09 11:39, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: Btw, I can say that when using calculators (which tend to use the '÷' as a DIVISION rather than as MINUS/subtraction), then I often get confused - if if is a calculator I'm not familar with: Is that key a DIVISION SIGN or a MINUS? In practice, it’s a

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

2012-07-09 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Hi David and Jukka, Jukka K. Korpela, Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:04:08 +0300: > 2012-07-09 8:19, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: Thanks for letting me know that the '÷' is used a minus in the Finish context too. I'm sure there is some interesting story around this ... Btw, I can say that when using calculat

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

2012-07-09 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-07-09 8:19, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: Unicode does not acknowledge * that the DIVISION SIGN in the (human) mathematical notation of at least one language (Norwegian) functions as a stylistically distinct MINUS sign. * that the COLON sign in the mathematical notation of many langu

Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

2012-07-09 Thread David Starner
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: >III. Conclusions: Proposal for next Unicode update > > Proposal 1: > EITHER division sign should be renamed to division-minus sign. > OR a new "double dotted minus" character should be added. > > Proposal 2: > EITHER the COL