Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

2015-07-06 Thread Noah Slater
Previously in this thread, it was suggested that I make a formal proposal to the UTC. I have held back from doing this because it's not at all clear what implementation I should be proposing, or whether I can propose something WITHOUT an implementation. (Some advise there would be handy!) Should I

Re: Stationary vs. waving flags (was: Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode)

2015-07-06 Thread Garth Wallace
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: > I wrote: > >> I hear Asmus's concern about using WAVING WHITE FLAG as the base >> character for emoji flags which might not be depicted as waving. > > I suppose there's no particular reason why U+2690 can't be the base > character instead. I sus

RE: Stationary vs. waving flags (was: Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode)

2015-07-06 Thread Doug Ewell
I wrote: > I hear Asmus's concern about using WAVING WHITE FLAG as the base > character for emoji flags which might not be depicted as waving. I suppose there's no particular reason why U+2690 can't be the base character instead. But then Garth Wallace wrote: > I'm concerned that the proposed

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

2015-07-06 Thread Garth Wallace
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Asmus Freytag (t) wrote: > On 7/6/2015 9:42 AM, Steve Swales wrote: > > Or a flag inversion modifier… recently I discovered that the Philippines > flag, for example, has a special meaning (we are at war) when inverted. > Just a thought. > > > Rather than modifiers,

RE: Stationary vs. waving flags (was: Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode)

2015-07-06 Thread Doug Ewell
Leonardo Boiko wrote: >> Is it your belief that users who wish to display an emoji flag care >> whether the flag is shown stationary versus flapping in the wind? > > I think a waving white flag is an emoji symbol for > "truce/surrender/come in peace", whereas a white rectangle doesn't > easily tr

Re: Stationary vs. waving flags (was: Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode)

2015-07-06 Thread Leonardo Boiko
2015-07-06 17:11 GMT-03:00 Doug Ewell : > Is it your belief that users who wish to display an emoji flag care > whether the flag is shown stationary versus flapping in the wind? I think a waving white flag is an emoji symbol for "truce/surrender/come in peace", whereas a white rectangle doesn't ea

Stationary vs. waving flags (was: Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode)

2015-07-06 Thread Doug Ewell
Asmus Freytag (t) wrote: > Rather than modifiers, I think a more natural thing would be to have > different base characters that reflect whether it's a flag, a pennant, > waving, flying from a flag stock or whatever other variety. > > Base characters could be limited to an "approved" list, which

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

2015-07-06 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 7/6/2015 9:42 AM, Steve Swales wrote: Or a flag inversion modifier… recently I discovered that the Philippines flag, for example, has a special meaning (we are at war) when inverted. Just a thought. Rather than modifiers, I think a more natural thi

Re: PRI #299

2015-07-06 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 7/6/2015 8:18 AM, Doug Ewell wrote: Most platforms display unknown printable characters as white > rectangles with hex digits in them. > In Doug's message, I saw a rectangle with 01F in the upper row, and > 3F3 in the lower row. This is a handy f

RE: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

2015-07-06 Thread Doug Ewell
Steve Swales wrote: > Or a flag inversion modifier… recently I discovered that the > Philippines flag, for example, has a special meaning (we are at war) > when inverted. Just a thought. An inverted ensign on a ship was formerly used as a distress signal: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/xf-fl

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

2015-07-06 Thread Steve Swales
Or a flag inversion modifier… recently I discovered that the Philippines flag, for example, has a special meaning (we are at war) when inverted. Just a thought. -steve > On Jul 1, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Doug Ewell wrote: > > wrote: > >> Whatever notation that might be added to whatever decisio

Re: PRI #299

2015-07-06 Thread Mark Davis ☕️
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Leo Broukhis wrote: >> Most platforms display unknown printable characters as white >> rectangles with hex digits in them. >> In Doug's message, I saw a rectangle with 01F in the upper row, and >> 3F3 in the lower row. > > This is a handy feature, at least for cha

RE: PRI #299

2015-07-06 Thread Doug Ewell
Leo Broukhis wrote: >> This is a handy feature, at least for character geeks like us, but >> "most platforms" might be a bit misleading here. There is a rather >> commonly used platform that starts with the letter W which does not >> do this. > > I was a little surprised myself when I saw it in F

RE: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

2015-07-06 Thread Doug Ewell
Ken Whistler wrote: > On the other hand, it might make sense to wait and see if it gains any > traction when the UTC meets later this month and considers all of the > feedback on the extended flag tag PRI #299 proposal together. If the > concept of a Unicode flag pictograph registry garners no in

Re: PRI #299

2015-07-06 Thread Leo Broukhis
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Doug Ewell wrote: > Leo Broukhis wrote: > >> Most platforms display unknown printable characters as white >> rectangles with hex digits in them. >> In Doug's message, I saw a rectangle with 01F in the upper row, and >> 3F3 in the lower row. > > This is a handy feat

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

2015-07-06 Thread Ken Whistler
On 7/6/2015 8:26 AM, Doug Ewell wrote: Ken Whistler wrote: In that case I think a new registry mechanism might in fact make sense -- and I have spelled out details of how one could reasonably work in conjunction with the extended flag tag proposal in feedback submitted on PRI #299. Is this

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

2015-07-06 Thread Doug Ewell
Ken Whistler wrote: > Incidentally, back to the ostensible topic of this thread -- I don't > think the extended flag tag proposal currently addresses the issue > of how to represent a pictograph for a rainbow flag. It doesn't. > In that case I think a new registry mechanism might in fact make s

Re: PRI #299

2015-07-06 Thread Doug Ewell
Leo Broukhis wrote: > Most platforms display unknown printable characters as white > rectangles with hex digits in them. > In Doug's message, I saw a rectangle with 01F in the upper row, and > 3F3 in the lower row. This is a handy feature, at least for character geeks like us, but "most platform

Re: WORD JOINER vs ZWNBSP

2015-07-06 Thread Marcel Schneider
On Sat, Jul 04, 2015, Richard Wordingham wrote : > I will also note that people are reluctant to type > invisible characters if they don't have immediate benefits. This might be the reason why U+2060 hadn't been properly implemented on the spot on word processors, whose users were supposed not