Re: U+0140

Elaine Keown Tucson Hi, I kept the amazing list of middle dots listed this week on the main Unicode list for future reference. Hebrew (Hebrew from 1200 B.C.E. - present) needs at least 1 middle dot. Elaine __ Do

very OT Windows XP and Unicode alphabet of Magi

Elaine Keown Tucson Hi, Off-topic random questions: 1) Is Windows XP Unicode-compatible? If so, which version of Unicode? An Israeli scholar wrote me today about a scholarly Hebrew database, giving the disclaimer that it was not yet running under Windows XP. 2

Re: [hebrew] Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

Elaine Keown still in Texas Dear Michael Everson and Lists: Michael Everson wrote: And the mother of those scripts is Phoenician. She is *not* Hebrew. The mother script is probably the southern Sinai or Wadi el-Hol script, written in about 1,700 B.C.E. by Aramaeans who

Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

Elaine Keown Dear Christopher John Fynn: they had different opinions at Harvard and at UChicago. I How about in European and Middle Eastern Universities? I didn't have the motivation to pursue the earlier material because there were only tiny scraps of text

Re: [hebrew] Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

Elaine Keown still in Texas Dear Michael Everson, Dean Snyder, and Lists: I am grateful that Michael Everson chose to share his thinking (and, I guess, that of Rick McGowan and Ken Whistler) on Semitic alphabet(s) with us. I had been wondering for a long time where the Roadmap ideas

Re: why Aramaic now lumpers and splitters Samaritan

Elaine Keown Dear Michael: I can send Samaritan references after I finish the Hebrew proposal font corrections--I finally sent John Hudson two sets of minor changes yesterday, and I have several days' work on the others. John Hudson has been waiting on me almost two months, so I want

Re: why Aramaic now

Elaine Keown Dear Mark and List: Some of the sets of symbols I found--- snip --are innately controversial because of the Roadmap. Examples of innately controversial for Mark: I think Hebrew's been written since 1,150 B.C. But at every stage it had different punctuation, at some

Re: Aramaic unification and information retrieval

Elaine Keown in Austin Dear John and main list: Since this was on the main list, I guess it's ok to reply there. Now, that said, I am very keen to have the Samaritan shin encoded, because this is used as a mark in the apparatus critici of the BHS and possibly In the Dead Sea

Re: why Aramaic now

Elaine Keown Dear Christopher John Fynn: Your arguments are very calm and rational, but it's not that simple. I wish it were. Some of the sets of symbols I found---which I simply assumed could be added to Hebrew--are innately controversial because of the Roadmap. That's actually

RE: [hebrew] Re: Aramaic unification and information retrieval

Elaine Keown Hi, I hesitate to ask this, but what is the current opinion on how many Han characters there are? There's some Canadian Taoist scholar who has a really high number. All I know is that that 1740s dictionary had ~40,000. Elaine __ Do you

Re: why Aramaic now lumpers and splitters

Elaine Keown still in Texas Dear Michael Everson: Or not. It depends what kinds of criteria we select, or don't, and it's good to know that you aren't prioritizing that either. It appears to me that script experts may resemble experts in dialects/languages

Re: why Aramaic now lumpers and splitters

Elaine Keown in Texas Hi, There is zero chance that Phoenician will be considered to be a glyph variant of Hebrew. Many, many Semitists would be truly astonished to read this sentence. The font for the Samaritan marks is still in rough draft due to what I did in fall

why Aramaic now

Elaine Keown still in Texas Hi, The reason the Aramaic is being discussed now is that right now there are people who are interested in it inside your Unicode community. Right now Jewish studies and Biblical studies people are finally trying to convert to Unicode, fonts

June Ashton 1999 thesis U Sydney

Elaine Keown in Austin Hi, I wanted to bring the following dissertation--listed at the bottom--to the attention of the e-discussion groups. I'm going to try to have some American research library or University Microfilms make it available here in the U.S. Apparently Dr. Ashton

Re: Qumran Greek

Elaine Keown Hi, --- Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The X looks like a CHI of course. It is a chi!!!--E. G. Turner Greek Manuscripts of the Ancient World 1987 says that chi is an editorial mark. His book has a plate of a Greek ms showing the chi and paragraphos near each

Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?

Elaine Keown Hi, I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I find myself thinking that the swastika, THE Nazi swastika, right-facing, tilted .the whole deal, should be encoded This looks to me like the ideal place for an extended note in Unicode, not a code point. The note could

Qumran scribal, again: http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/dss/marks/review.html

Elaine Keown central Texas Hi, I'm sending along the URL of a fascinating article that Ken Penner brought to my attention. http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/dss/marks/review.html Again, I'm still concerned about the overlap between Qumran and Greek, Qumran and Coptic, and (possibly

RE: unification (CJKV history) ; Alphabetic Aramaic+ ...

Elaine Keown still in Texas Dear Tom Emerson: This history of unification is laid out pretty clearly in Appendix A of TUS. I hope this is online--And they go all the way back to the 200 previous suggestions, some from the Chinese Language Computer Society

Re: Qumran Greek

Elaine in central Texas Hi, I would guess that the first of your symbols, if Greek, is a PARAGRAPHOS or a FORKED PARAGRAPHOS. It's also used in Coptic. Yes, both of those seem to be at Qumran. In Coptic, do you know what period of time they are in? The X looks like a CHI of course.

Qumran Greek

Elaine Keown Hi, I include 2 Qumran symbols that are probably Greek. I'm looking for help with the large 'X'. Also, where will the new numbers for the accepted TLG items be posted? Debbie said everything got in, but I don't know where to find their assigned code points. Thanks

Re: New symbols (was Qumran Greek)

Elaine in Tejas central Hi, http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2676.pdf is a complete listing of new symbols to go into Unicode Thanks!--how many Web sites do you all have? and why aren't they linked together for us fringies? When I looked last month, I couldn't find any link to

Sample Hebrew character descript: http://www.cox-internet.com/keownlaw/

Elaine Keown still in Texas RE: http://www.cox-internet.com/keownlaw/ Hi, I'm sending this URL to ask for FEEDBACK on FORMATTING. I don't want to write more character descriptions without getting some other opinions. This list is NOT definitive--I had stuff lying

Unicode Hebrew proposal: nomenclature..

Elaine in Central Texas Hi, Ok, font underway, what a relief. Now NOMENCLATURE 1) BLOCK NAME: does the Hebrew block need to permanently be called Hebrew? If a better name would be HEBREW-ARAMAIC SQUARE SCRIPT, should that be added as a note? 2) SUB-BLOCK: can the sub-blocks have

Re: font creation software for Unicode Hebrew proposal ?

Elaine Keown central Texas Hello again, Please reply off-list--I'm mostly trying to become a 3-day weekend Fri-Sun Unicoder. For the Hebrew proposal, I'm mostly doing new vowels/diacritics since my beloved ligatures were outlawed. Is there somewhere a freely available glyph

re: History of Unicoding Hebrew

Elaine Keown Bryan, Texas Hello: After *today*, please reply off-list. I am now reading Unicode archives on the web and joining the list for 24 hours. From: Dean Snyder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Date: Tue Sep 16 2003 - 16:03:36 EDT Can anyone point me to documentation

font creation software for Unicode Hebrew proposal ?

Elaine Keown Bryan, Texas Hello: After *today*, please reply off-list. I am now reading the archives and sometimes joining the list for 24 hours. I am looking for inexpensive glyph creation software to produce a Unicode Hebrew proposal. The Hebrew Unicode list recommended

re: History of Unicoding Hebrew

Elaine Keown Bryan, Texas Hello: After *today*, please reply off-list. I am now reading Unicode archives on the web and joining the list for 24 hours. From: Dean Snyder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Date: Tue Sep 16 2003 - 16:03:36 EDT Can anyone point me to documentation

Re: font creation software for Unicode Hebrew proposal ?

Elaine Keown central Texas Hi, What is the absolute minimal font requirement for a Unicode proposal? Just glyphs or more? If the PUA is supposed to be left-to-right, what codes do I give the proposed glyphs? Do they have to have a real Unicode code point? Thanks, Elaine

re: History of Unicoding Hebrew

Elaine Keown central Texas Hello, Elaine Keown wrote: I was told third-hand that in the late 1980s some prominent. I was also told that they were ignored by whomever they contacted. Michael Everson wrote: I do NOT think that reporting this kind of rumour is appropriate

Re: font creation software for Unicode Hebrew proposal ?

Elaine Keown Bryan, Texas Hello, At 15:48 -0700 2003-09-26, Elaine Keown wrote What is the absolute minimal font requirement for a Unicode proposal? Glyphs. Is there a difficulty? Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * If one is almost totally ignorant of fonts

[OT] terminology: BMP, UCS 3 questions

971, what does " * Numbered subset 300 (BMP) " mean? See y'all in Kowloon, Elaine Keown Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com

[very OT] Documentation: beyond 65,536 ; misc Semitic ?s

Hello, Within the book, Unicode 3.0, is there somewhere a long section I missed about all the stuff that happens beyond the "first 65,536," in addition to surrogate stuff? Is there other documentation somewhere? Today are there still 7,827 unused code values? Will they be unassigned

[ OT ] ISO 10646-x and Unicode 3.0 and Hebrew ?

aic-Hebrew work for the Web, and we currently own 2 copies of Unicode 3.0 and no copies of the ISO parallel text(s). -------Elaine Keown Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com

[OT] Unicode-compatible SQL?

choice. Elaine Keown Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com

Re: What about musical notation ?

for chanting liturgically. These symbols are at least 1100 years old. Elaine Keown "Erik Garrés" wrote: I would like to know, why the symbols used for music are not listed on UNICODE ? Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com

[ very OT ] why abjad ..? ; list--Arabic script languages

Hello, Below, latest list of Arabic-script languages. Additions appreciated. Eighteen of these languages are mentioned in Unicode 3.0 documentation. Question for the list: Unicode 3.0 Arabic and most literature in English lists variant Arabic script alphabets in "abjad" order. Why was

bidi or multi algorithm?

Hello, Is Unicode's so-called "bidi algorithm" really bidirectional, that is, does it govern horizontal text layout in right-to-left and left-to-right languages? Or is "bidi" a metaphor here, for more possible text orientations, including vertical boustrophedons and other historically

boustrophedon more current, not ancient?

m not sure if the quote below is completely accurate. "Boustrophedon writing is of interest almost exclusively to scholars intent on reproducing the exact visual content of ancient texts. The Elaine Keown Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com

expansion of bidi planned?

se because they thought it was the worst possible combination of languages. Elaine Keown Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com

Aramaic by any other name.........

Hello, Aramaic is spoken in many countries today:Israel, Armenia, Georgia, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, U.S., probably Azerbaijan, maybe further into Central Asia in some pockets...but it's never called Aramaic, as far as I knowit's called Surit, Kurdit, Turoyo, Assyrian, Mandaean,

[OT] Arabic script langs in 3.0 ; list?

Hello, Unicode 3.0 mentions 11 contemporary languages written in Arabic, most from Central Asia, none from Africa except Arabic---Berber is not mentioned. Is Arabic script no longer used south of the Sahara? Or does standard Arabic script easily cover relevant African languages? My usually

sort of OT: politics and scripts

of Cyrillic has started, and there is a return to Arabic script. But not "plain vanilla" Arabic script, but the extended Arabic scripts with extra symbols.. This gives Unicode an odd "legacy code" problem, in

Re: Stacking Thai marks, stacking Hebrew marks?

grad Codex, is actually considerably simpler than other Hebrew manuscripts. I'm getting ready to look at the complexity problem this week. Elaine Keown Philadelphia ___ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com

Unicode 3.0 OS implementation URLs?

Hello, I'm still trying to get information on which operating systems have implemented Unicode 3.0it's important for Hebrew and Aramaic. I'm speaking about all this at a professional meeting next month Could list folks refer me to suitable URLs for Microsoft, Apple, Sun,

lag time in Unicode implementations in OS, etc?

Hello, I'm writing to inquire about the "lag time" between when Unicode 3.0 hit the street and when implementations in Windows NT, software tools, fonts, etc. came out? Does stuff usually come out within 3 months, 6 months, ? Is there a central URL that keeps track of implementations, so

Re: Unicode on a website

Hello, I'm interested in using the more recent Unicode Hebrew versions on Web sites. These versions have about 30 more symbols for Hebrew Bible text than the original Unicode from the early 90s. But the UTF-8 versions I found on the Web only seem to have the early 90s version of Hebrew, and