Re: [hebrew] Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

2003-12-29 Thread John Hudson
At 07:39 AM 12/29/2003, Michael Everson wrote: I also think that your attitude is that of a Hellenist or Indo-Europeanist, who looks at everything from the perspective of Athens. Think what you like. Semitics is "Praeparatio Hellenika"--its other aspects are less important, and hence not to be

Re: [hebrew] Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

2003-12-29 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
I don't really see this either, but even if it's correct, aren't Hellenists and Indo-Europeanists supposed to be supported by Unicode too? Maybe that's the elusive user-base? ~mark On 12/29/03 10:39, Michael Everson wrote: At 06:40 -0800 2003-12-29, Elaine Keown wrote: I also think that your

Re: [hebrew] Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

2003-12-29 Thread Michael Everson
At 06:40 -0800 2003-12-29, Elaine Keown wrote: Michael Everson wrote: > And the mother of those scripts is Phoenician. She is *not* Hebrew. The mother script is probably the southern Sinai or Wadi el-Hol script, written in about 1,700 B.C.E. by Aramaeans who worked either in the copper mines of

Re: [hebrew] Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

2003-12-29 Thread Elaine Keown
Elaine Keown still in Texas Dear Michael Everson and Lists: Michael Everson wrote: > And the mother of those scripts is Phoenician. She is > *not* Hebrew. The mother script is probably the southern Sinai or Wadi el-Hol script, written in about 1,700 B.C.E. by Aramaeans who

Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

2003-12-28 Thread Elaine Keown
Elaine Keown Dear Christopher John Fynn: > > they had different opinions at Harvard and at > > UChicago. I > How about in European and Middle Eastern > Universities? I didn't have the motivation to pursue the earlier material because there were only tiny scraps of text and they w

Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

2003-12-27 Thread Christopher John Fynn
Elaine Keown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have only heard that they had > different opinions at Harvard and at UChicago. I > don't know (sorry) how these texts are viewed at Johns > Hopkins. How about in European and Middle Eastern Universities?

[hebrew] Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

2003-12-26 Thread Jim Allan
Mark E. Shoulson wrote: This is a particularly cogent point. The Mishna (c. 1st century C.E.) does explicitly distinguish between Paleo-Hebrew and Square Hebrew (tractate Yadayim 4:5). That's not a font-difference, that's a script-difference, I think. There were no such things as fonts in the

Re: [hebrew] Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

2003-12-26 Thread John Hudson
At 06:57 AM 12/26/2003, Michael Everson wrote: Every historian of writing describes the various scripts *as* scripts, and recognizes them differently. We have bilinguals where people are distinguishing the scripts in text; we have discussion, for instance in the Babylonian Talmud, specifically

Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

2003-12-26 Thread Chris Jacobs
> I guess we'd just have to make sure that > people doing scholarly work in Semitic languages know to use Hebrew all > the time (they already know that), no matter what the language. ؟

Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

2003-12-26 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
On 12/26/03 09:57, Michael Everson wrote: Every historian of writing describes the various scripts *as* scripts, and recognizes them differently. We have bilinguals where people are distinguishing the scripts in text; we have discussion, for instance in the Babylonian Talmud, specifically discu

Re: [hebrew] Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

2003-12-26 Thread Elaine Keown
Elaine Keown still in Texas Dear Michael Everson, Dean Snyder, and Lists: I am grateful that Michael Everson chose to share his thinking (and, I guess, that of Rick McGowan and Ken Whistler) on Semitic alphabet(s) with us. I had been wondering for a long time where the Roadmap ideas

Re: Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

2003-12-26 Thread Michael Everson
At 02:23 -0500 2003-12-26, Dean Snyder wrote: If you are thinking of chronology and mean that Phoenician came first, most scholars would agree with you. I too am a scholar, Dean. But I would ask, so what? What does chronological priority have to do with establishing separate encodings? The sour

Ancient Northwest Semitic Script (was Re: why Aramaic now)

2003-12-26 Thread Dean Snyder
Michael Everson wrote to the Unicode email list at 8:44 PM on Wednesday, December 24, 2003: >There is zero chance that Phoenician will be considered to be a glyph >variant of Hebrew. Zero chance. If you are thinking of chronology and mean that Phoenician came first, most scholars would agree wi