Re: SV: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-04 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 4/3/2012 3:59 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote: Yes but HTTP headers are still not part of the page content itself. It is unrelated and only needed for the HTTP protocol and management of caches inclding in proxies. Those headers are by definition not translatable by the server. Only the brower may

Re: SV: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-04 Thread Philippe Verdy
Yes but there ware sevral replies speaking about HTTP headers (the first one from Juka Korpela). Which are unrelated. This was a necessary clarification. The HTTP protocol itself is not concerned by localisation of the headers related to the management of caches and conditional requests to refresh

Re: SV: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-04 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 4/4/2012 2:01 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote: .. there are good reasons why a date displayed in a page could be formatted differently from other dates in the same page, when they are in fact part of different contents each one using its language. Multilingual pages are frequent, and this is why we

Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-03 Thread Shawn Steele
I was amused to see Klingon on the http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.1.0/ page ;-) Yes, I realize it’s primarily me and maybe a few other geeks, but I still smiled. [cid:image001.png@01CD1178.97471C20] - Shawn   http://blogs.msdn.com/shawnste inline: image001.png

Re: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-03 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-04-03 19:03, Shawn Steele wrote: I was amused to see Klingon on the http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.1.0/ page ;-) Yes, I realize it’s primarily me and maybe a few other geeks, but I still smiled. On the other hand, it sets a bad example: an illogical mix of language, with all

RE: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-03 Thread Shawn Steele
Of Philippe Verdy Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 9:40 AM To: Shawn Steele Cc: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Klingon on Unicode site? When was that published on the Unicode website ? On April 1st ? Le 3 avril 2012 18:03, Shawn Steele shawn.ste...@microsoft.commailto:shawn.ste...@microsoft.com a écrit

Re: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-03 Thread Philippe Verdy
When was that published on the Unicode website ? On April 1st ? Le 3 avril 2012 18:03, Shawn Steele shawn.ste...@microsoft.com a écrit : I was amused to see Klingon on the http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.1.0/ page ;-) ** ** Yes, I realize it’s primarily me and maybe a few

Re: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-03 Thread Ken Whistler
On 4/3/2012 9:51 AM, Shawn Steele wrote: My assumption is the page uses JS to get the dates? Since my user locale happened to be set to Klingon, that’s what it displayed. Exactly. There is a call to: Date(document.lastModified).toLocaleString() in the Javascript. So for those who assumed

Re: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-03 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 4/3/2012 11:14 AM, Ken Whistler wrote: On 4/3/2012 9:51 AM, Shawn Steele wrote: My assumption is the page uses JS to get the dates? Since my user locale happened to be set to Klingon, that’s what it displayed. Exactly. There is a call to: Date(document.lastModified).toLocaleString() in

RE: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-03 Thread Shawn Steele
When the document is in English, it doesn't make sens to display the footer date in the system locale. The locale used for this function should either be that of site, or that of the page. After all we wouldn’t want a Unicode page to appear like it got contaminated with Klingon ;-) -Shawn

RE: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-03 Thread Phillips, Addison
Asmus opined: I think Yucca has a point. When the document is in English, it doesn't make sens to display the footer date in the system locale. The locale used for this function should either be that of site, or that of the page. AP And hence the work to internationalize JavaScript and

Re: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-03 Thread Philippe Verdy
Le 3 avril 2012 21:28, Phillips, Addison addi...@lab126.com a écrit : Asmus opined: I think Yucca has a point. When the document is in English, it doesn't make sens to display the footer date in the system locale. The locale used for this function should either be that of site, or that of

SV: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-03 Thread Elsebeth Flarup
: Re: Klingon on Unicode site? 2012-04-03 19:03, Shawn Steele wrote: I was amused to see Klingon on the http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.1.0/ page ;-) Yes, I realize it’s primarily me and maybe a few other geeks, but I still smiled. On the other hand, it sets a bad example

Re: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-03 Thread Philippe Verdy
The Last-Modified' header of HTTP is not supposed to be translated, it has a documented format independant of the locale used by the server, by the browser, or prefered by the user and configured in its browser settings or in his personnal account of the website. It is an hidden ***protocol

Re: SV: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-03 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 4/3/2012 1:49 PM, Elsebeth Flarup wrote: If the visible display of the value of the Last-Modified header (which may or may not reflect the actual last modification time) is regarded as useful, it should of course be in the same language as the rest of the page. I completely disagree.

Re: SV: Klingon on Unicode site?

2012-04-03 Thread Philippe Verdy
Yes but HTTP headers are still not part of the page content itself. It is unrelated and only needed for the HTTP protocol and management of caches inclding in proxies. Those headers are by definition not translatable by the server. Only the brower may opt to display these headers outside of the