phi 03D5
phi1 03C6
The problem with this is that the preferred 'text' form for the
lower Greek alphabet is the glyph shown in Unicode 3.0 Book @
U+03C6, which is the glyph found in most fonts having the Greek
alphabet, including TNR.
Thus my suggestion to introduce an
Show me a widely used font which contains both U+03C6 and U+03D5.
That was not the issue. The issue is when font wanted to add 03D5
that they would not just put the opposite glyph into 03D5. Or just
end up having a duplicate glyph. Fonts that have 03D5 by their
nature should be intended
Note that I don't say that it was a bad decision of the UTC
to clean up the situation. I only say that the found
solution isn't backwards compatible.
No, it is not backwards compatible. But UTC found a problem and fixed
it. Unicode is still an evolving standard, with characters being
At 07:26 AM 2/21/03 +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
Show me a widely used font which contains both U+03C6 and U+03D5.
That was not the issue. The issue is when font wanted to add 03D5 that they
would not just put the opposite glyph into 03D5. Or just end up having a
duplicate glyph. Fonts that have
The Unicode 3.2 text states:
quote
With Unicode 3.0 and the concurrent second edition of ISO/IEC
10646-1, the representative glyphs for U+03C6 GREEK LETTER SMALL PHI
and U+03D5 GREEK PHI SYMBOL were swapped. In ordinary Greek text,
the character U+03C6 is used exclusively, although
Virtually all fonts I know of use the pre-3.0 glyph representations.
Sigh. Any suggestion how to fix this mess? [...]
IMHO, the decision to flip the glyph shapes was a shot into the leg.
What about this:
The UTC should undo the glyph swapping and introduce a new character
called U+03F7
The UTC should undo the glyph swapping and introduce a new
character called U+03F7 GREEK ALTERNATIVE PHI SYMBOL. Then we
would have
*If* the UTC agreed that this is a real problem, then I think that a
variation selector sequence would be much better than a new
character. In my
At 12:08 AM 2/21/03 +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
Virtually all fonts I know of use the pre-3.0 glyph representations.
Sigh. Any suggestion how to fix this mess? [...]
To give just one very widely available example Times New Roman has always
used the post 3.0 glyph.
A./
To give just one very widely available example Times New Roman has
always used the post 3.0 glyph.
Right, but version 2.76 of times.ttf which comes with WinME doesn't
contain a glyph for U+03D5 at all. And symbol.ttf version 1.60 uses
the pre-3.0 glyph shapes.
Show me a widely used font
In the file U0370.pdf, describing Unicode 3.2, I find the following
03C6 GREEK SMALL LETTER PHI
. the ordinary Greek letter, showing
considerable glyph variation
. in mathematical contexts, the loopy glyph
is preferred, to contrast with 03D5
03D5 GREEK
From: Barbara Beeton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: re: [OpenType] PS glyph `phi' vs `phi1'
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:56:03 -0500 (EST)
[Dear Barbara, I took the liberty to cite your message almost
completely while CCing the opentype and unicode lists.]
the shapes of the two `phi's haven't changed
Thanks. As a conclusion it seems that both Adobe's mapping of
U+03D5 and U+03C6 to glyph names and the Unicode annotation for
U+03D5 is incorrect (in case backwards compatibility is of
importance).
The right mapping should be
phi 03D5
phi1 03C6
I have to correct myself,
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 04:13 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
I have to correct myself, fortunately. After looking into the printed
version of Unicode 2.0 I see that the glyphs of 03D5 and 03C6 in the
file U0370.pdf are exchanged. Your assuption is correct that the
annotation in Unicode
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