Mark E. Shoulson wrote:
However, since qamats-qatans only occur in unstressed syllables, such a
thing would be rare.
Actually, no: some accents go on unstressed syllables. For example, a
dehi could coexist with a qamats-qatan. Psalms 4:2 has a qamats-qatan
on the same letter as GERESH
Peter Constable wrote:
From: Mark E. Shoulson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, no: some accents go on unstressed syllables. For example, a
dehi could coexist with a qamats-qatan. Psalms 4:2 has a qamats-qatan
on the same letter as GERESH MUQDAM, as do others. Psalms 9:14 has
one
Simon Montagu wrote:
Mark E. Shoulson wrote:
However, since qamats-qatans only occur in unstressed syllables, such
a thing would be rare.
Actually, no: some accents go on unstressed syllables. For example,
a dehi could coexist with a qamats-qatan. Psalms 4:2 has a
qamats-qatan on the same
Mark E. Shoulson scripsit:
What I mean is, qamats-qatan should behave as much like qamats as
possible. So if I went through and edited my Biblical text to show
qamats-qatans in the appropriate places, comparisons and rendering and
all should still be the same. If qamats+dehi normalizes
Well, yeah, but why would I want to make such a distinction?
You might not ever need to; keep in mind, though, there was a time that
people assumed they'd never need to encode two vowels on a single
consonant, or worry about relative orders of any vowel or accent.
Does that make sense?
Yes,
On 05/05/2004 22:19, Peter Constable wrote:
...
Precisely why assigning qamats qatan to class 18 would not be
particularly useful: it allows you to distinguish qamats, qamats qatan
from qamats qatan, qamats ; it does not allow you to distinguish
differently-ordered sequences of qamats
Good. For that is precisely what we do NOT want to allow. Qamats qatan
should combine with dehi etc in only one way. So it should have a
different combining class.
Considering that dehi is class 222, that would happen regardless of what
class qamats qatan was assigned to, as long as it wasn't
Peter Constable wrote:
Yeah, whatever. Just make sure nobody is going to come along later and
say, We've discovered we need to distinguish two orderings for qamats
qatan and athnah (or tipha, tevir, munah, mahapakh, merkha, merkha
kefula, darga or yerah ben yomo).
(Of course, if they do, they can
From: Mark E. Shoulson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, no: some accents go on unstressed syllables. For example, a
dehi could coexist with a qamats-qatan. Psalms 4:2 has a qamats-qatan
on the same letter as GERESH MUQDAM, as do others. Psalms 9:14 has
one
with a DEHI. Exodus 34:11
It would seem to me that it would be appropriate that this new
character's canonical combining class should either be the same as
that of QAMATS which is 18
That is correct. We overlooked the properties line in the proposal,
the template for which was the earlier ATNAH HAFUKH document.
From: Peter Constable [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would probably leave the value at 220. That is what all of the Hebrew
vowel points should have been, IMO. Though getting one right doesn't
make a huge difference -- people are still going to be using CGJ to
preserve particular sequences in the cases
From: Philippe Verdy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I note that the definition of combining sequences in TUS 4.0.1 was
updated to
include ZWJ and ZWNJ, but still not CGJ, in the middle or at end of a
combining
sequence. This is shown in the list of changes. Has there been an
agreement made
to
Peter Constable wrote:
It would seem to me that it would be appropriate that this new
character's canonical combining class should either be the same as
that of QAMATS which is 18
That is correct. We overlooked the properties line in the proposal,
the template for which was the earlier
Michael Everson wrote:
A new contribution.
http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2755.pdf
N2755
Proposal to add QAMATS QATAN to the BMP of the UCS
Michael Everson Mark Shoulson
Nice.
8a. Can any of the proposed characters be considered a presentation
form of an existing character or character
From: Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A new contribution.
http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2755.pdf
N2755
Proposal to add QAMATS QATAN to the BMP of the UCS
Michael Everson Mark Shoulson
I note that your document uses inconsistently two different code points: it
proposes the
[Original Message]
From: Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A new contribution.
http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2755.pdf
N2755
Proposal to add QAMATS QATAN to the BMP of the UCS
Michael Everson Mark Shoulson
Given the description in the proposal which indicates that
this
At 00:19 -0400 2004-05-04, Ernest Cline wrote:
It would seem to me that it would be appropriate that this new
character's canonical combining class should either be the same as
that of QAMATS which is 18
That is correct. We overlooked the properties line in the proposal,
the template for which
At 07:34 -0700 2004-05-04, Peter Constable wrote:
05BA;HEBREW POINT QAMATS QATAN;Mn;18;NSM;N;;*;;;
Well, of course, the effect of this is that a sequence of qamats,
qamats qatan is not canonically equivalent to qamats qatan, qamats
. No harm in that, but also not especially useful, I
Mark Shoulsons says that since QAMATS QATAN is a flavour of QAMATS,
it should behave like QAMATS.
True, but giving it the same fixed-position class actually creates a
distinction, though not a particularly significant one.
Regarding canonical equivalence, having
both QAMATS and QAMATS QATAN
OK, I don't care whether it is 18 or 220, and I am not qualified to
decide. You and Mark (and whoever else cares) can duke this one out.
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
At 10:09 +0200 2004-05-05, Simon Montagu wrote:
Proposal to add QAMATS QATAN to the BMP of the UCS
Michael Everson Mark Shoulson
Nice.
Ta.
8a. Can any of the proposed characters be considered a presentation
form of an existing character or character sequence?
No.
Is this overstating the case?
Mark E. Shoulson scripsit:
If it were possible to do this, couldn't we rearrange everything so that
the points were NOT screwed up like they are?
No. The numbers assigned to the various canonical combining classes
are arbitrary so they can be renumbered, but which characters belong to which
[Original Message]
From: Mark E. Shoulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 5/4/2004 7:49:45 PM
Subject: Re: Proposal to add QAMATS QATAN to the BMP of the UCS
Peter Kirk wrote:
It would actually be possible, although I am not sure if it is useful,
to rearrange all the
Michael Everson scripsit:
A new contribution.
http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2755.pdf
N2755
Proposal to add QAMATS QATAN to the BMP of the UCS
Michael Everson Mark Shoulson
Good stuff. What effect, if any, will this have on the standard
encoding of Yiddish?
--
Her he asked if
At 22:31 -0400 2004-05-03, John Cowan wrote:
Michael Everson scripsit:
A new contribution.
http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2755.pdf
N2755
Proposal to add QAMATS QATAN to the BMP of the UCS
Michael Everson Mark Shoulson
Good stuff. What effect, if any, will this have on the standard
A new contribution.
http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2755.pdf
N2755
Proposal to add QAMATS QATAN to the BMP of the UCS
Michael Everson Mark Shoulson
Michael Everson scripsit:
At 22:31 -0400 2004-05-03, John Cowan wrote:
Michael Everson scripsit:
A new contribution.
http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2755.pdf
N2755
Proposal to add QAMATS QATAN to the BMP of the UCS
Michael Everson Mark Shoulson
Good stuff. What effect, if
At 23:04 -0400 2004-05-03, John Cowan wrote:
I meant to say, of the encoding of *Hebrew* words (which are spelled
Hebrewly) in Yiddish text.
That would be a matter for the YIVO academy and other authorities.
But Hebrew words spelled Hebrewly in Yiddish are rarely pointed. And
Yiddish
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