Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-02 Thread Philippe Verdy
The political subject is immediately related to the designation of flags and their association to ISO 3166-1 and -2 encoded entities. Even if you don't like it, this is very political and for a standard seeking for stability, I wonder how any flag (directly bound to specific political entities at

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-02 Thread Doug Ewell
Noah Slater wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like Philippe's core argument is that geopolitical entities and flags (as a specific instances of a design, in the heraldic sense) are disjoint. And that using geopolitical codes to refer to these designs is inherently unstable. But the

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-02 Thread Doug Ewell
I wrote: But the only alternative is to encode about 200 discrete emoji [...] Here I am assuming that UTC will not shift gears and approve an embedded URI scheme, which sounds way too much like localizable you-know-whats. -- Doug Ewell | http://ewellic.org | Thornton, CO 

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-02 Thread Mark Davis ☕️
Ok. I wasn't clear enough. Certainly boundaries are political and relevant, as is the fact that they change. What is not relevant is talking about particular country's motivations and actions. Moreover, you insist about writing a tome about this. In other words, TL;DR. Mark

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-02 Thread Philippe Verdy
It was not just about it but on the fact that nothing is solved and for things that Unicode does not want to support, there should be a better way using existing standards to bind some object with semantics taken from a blind but easily parsable object (here an URI ,without the need to reinvent a

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-02 Thread Noah Slater
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like Philippe's core argument is that geopolitical entities and flags (as a specific instances of a design, in the heraldic sense) are disjoint. And that using geopolitical codes to refer to these designs is inherently unstable. On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 at 13:26

RE: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-02 Thread Peter Constable
] Puolesta Philippe Verdy Lähetetty: 2. heinäkuuta 2015 12:02 Vastaanottaja: Mark Davis ☕️ Kopio: Doug Ewell; Unicode Mailing List Aihe: Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags) The political subject is immediately related to the designation of flags

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-02 Thread gfb hjjhjh
As I read, should those flag be versioned when being use?As the curremt implementation sound like those flag would change all over the time, and if people using the emoticon with country X's flag on it to show support for its current government, once the government have been overthrown and the

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-01 Thread gfb hjjhjh
http://unicode.org/announcements/flag-snippets.jpgThe UTC is considering a proposal to extend the types of flags which can be reliably represented by certain sequences of Unicode characters. In addition to the current mechanism using pairs of regional indicator symbols—already widely

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-01 Thread Philippe Verdy
I oppose this proposal for the simple reason that it thinks hyphen separations are not necessary. Possibly true today but there will be extensions in some future needing more than 2 letters or 3 digits in the primary subtag. even for iso 3166-2 the regional subtags are very likely to change and

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-01 Thread Shervin Afshar
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org wrote: Can someone help me understand what this means for my rainbow flag proposal? AFAIK, it's not going to have any effect on what you're proposing. This is a mechanism for flags of sub-regions with ISO 3166-2 codes; e.g. US

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-01 Thread Doug Ewell
Shervin Afshar shervinafshar at gmail dot com wrote: This is a mechanism for flags of sub-regions with ISO 3166-2 codes; e.g. US States, countries and provinces of the UK, Tibet, etc. The Tibet Autonomous Region (CN-54), like other regions in China except Hong Kong and Macao, has no official

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-01 Thread Shervin Afshar
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: The Tibet Autonomous Region (CN-54), like other regions in China except Hong Kong and Macao, has no official flag. Although this is what some users might expect, implementing or interpreting [flag]CN54 as the snow-lion

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-01 Thread Noah Slater
Thanks Doug. On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 at 17:45 Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: In other, other words, something like [flag]LGBT should be a non-starter. Followed until this bit. Why would it be a non-starter? If you are still suggesting a single character, this thread doesn't affect that

RE: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-01 Thread Doug Ewell
Noah Slater nslater at tumbolia dot org wrote: In other, other words, something like [flag]LGBT should be a non-starter. Followed until this bit. Why would it be a non-starter? First, because under the proposal described in the PRI, it would unequivocally stand for region LG, subdivision BT.

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-01 Thread Doug Ewell
Noah Slater nslater at tumbolia dot org wrote: Can someone help me understand what this means for my rainbow flag proposal? You may want to go back and read Ken Whistler's suggestion from Monday: I suggest that this thread about the RAINBOW FLAG be directed to the soon-to-be-posted Public

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-01 Thread Noah Slater
Can someone help me understand what this means for my rainbow flag proposal? On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 at 10:02 Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: I oppose this proposal for the simple reason that it thinks hyphen separations are not necessary. Possibly true today but there will be extensions

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-01 Thread Mark Davis ☕️
*​Please take political discussions elsewhere; they do not belong on this list.* The point about the boundaries of regions changing over time, and flags being associated with a former set of boundaries could have been made in a few sentences. Not only would it have avoided politics, it would have

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

2015-07-01 Thread Philippe Verdy
And today's Chinese province ofTibet is different from the historic Tibet, as China incorporated other surrounding areas, including some parts taken from Bhutan (a small part around Legaru, and a larger part to the North) and India (some parts to the West from states of Jammu and Kashmir, which