Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-29 Thread Glenn moyer
Thanks Dave, I didn’t see it on my screen. It is indeed “vewy intewesting.” What has been copied from other sources is a jumble of bullets and snips that confuse rather than shine a light on Praxis methods or ideology. This is even more problematic than bad web construction. Very

RE: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-29 Thread KAREN ALLEN
One way to look at Penn Praxis involvement is this: Conflict of interest: Penn would not be an impartial facilitator because it has myriad relationships with the City government, including but not by any means limited to the ongoing drama of the Campus Inn, playing out in front of the

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-29 Thread Anthony West
A nice phrase! By the same metaphor, though, Nutter -- and every other mayor -- uses proprietary software to fix public buildings, cut down public trees and computerize public offices. They are called private-sector contractors and they are utterly normal, completely familiar to our Founding

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-29 Thread Anthony West
That's partly why I suggested Loyola Univ. as one alternative to Penn. Philadelphia is eagerly looking to superheroes from Chicago to fish our budgetary fat out of the fire now, right? So if Obama, why not Loyola as well? Meantime, Penn could peddle its expertise to Chicago governments ...

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-29 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Anthony West wrote: A nice phrase! By the same metaphor, though, Nutter -- and every other mayor -- uses proprietary software to fix public buildings, cut down public trees and computerize public offices. They are called private-sector contractors and they are utterly normal, completely

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-29 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Anthony West wrote: Will its public meetings accomplish anything in the end? That seems like a more reasonable suspicion. Wharton has been flinging buckets of high-financial brains into Wall Street for a generation, and look where that's gotten us. On the other hand, nobody else knows what to

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-29 Thread Anthony West
Baloney. Mayors all across the country use proprietary contractors such as computer-network installers and planning facilitators and space providers, to help their decision-making. That doesn't mean they are paying them to do their decision-making (although that might also happen, and might

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-29 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Anthony West wrote: Baloney. Mayors all across the country use proprietary contractors such as computer-network installers and planning facilitators and space providers, to help their decision-making. That doesn't mean they are paying them to do their decision-making (although that might also

RE: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-28 Thread KAREN ALLEN
Ray, In reaction to that other response your post received, I too am concerned with Penn's involvement with the City's budget crisis, and with what they expect to get out of the city in return for their involvement. Penn is not just some benign entity who is unselfishly lending its expertise

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-28 Thread Anthony West
It's reasonable to be skeptical about a Penn-based attempt to facilitate a meeting over a conflict between some of its neighbors and itself. That's not the situation before us in this case. The City budget gap affects all Philadelphians, not just the 3% who live in University City. The budget

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-28 Thread Glenn moyer
“A Penn entity makes just as much sense to the average Joe as anybody else's entity, to organize large-scale, productive meetings.” Tony, these people on the un-moderated list sure know how to fling it. You were so ivy league to point to these deep core concepts published transparently by

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-28 Thread Anthony West
Pretty funny, Glenn! Now can you direct us to your company website, please? How well-kept is it? How self-revealing is it? What I do when I want to learn something, and I don't get it over the web, is I then call the person on the telephone and ask them questions, if I care enough. --

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-28 Thread Glenn moyer
What I do when I want to learn something, and I don't get it over the web, is I then call the person on the telephone and ask them questions, if I care enough. Neighbors, I worked with some people from GSE when I was doing adult literacy work. I thought highly of them. I couldn't

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-28 Thread Anthony West
What? What are you talking about, Glenn? I can't make sense of any of this. We're simply asking where the website for Glenn Moyer Real Estate, Inc., is, so we may compare its skill to that of the Project for Civic Engagement's website. How can we best learn more about your business activities

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-28 Thread Dave Axler
As Elmer Fudd used to say, Vewwy intewesting. If you go to this page, you will find all the links that Glenn cites below: http://www.gse.upenn.edu/node/416 If you then simply scroll down the page, instead of using the links, you will then find the actual sections of text to which the links

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-28 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Anthony West wrote: What does it prove, that Nutter hired a Penn arm rather than a Temple arm or a Loyola arm to grease a political adjustment? That Penn is the largest private-sector employer in the city? That it is growing and flourishing, and appears to be on top of its industry's game?

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-27 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Anthony West wrote: As for the Founding Fathers, they did care deeply about accountability, transparency, debate and public participation, although it would never have occurred to any of them to use any of those precise words as they made their cases -- our language has changed that much in

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-27 Thread Anthony West
Attentive indeed. So let us begin by noting that Penn Praxis has *not* been inserted into Nutter's budget process. The agent in this situation is the University of Pennsylvania Project for Civic Engagement. That there are relationships between the two entities is significant. That there are

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-27 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Anthony West wrote: Attentive indeed. So let us begin by noting that Penn Praxis has *not* been inserted into Nutter's budget process. The agent in this situation is the University of Pennsylvania Project for Civic Engagement. That there are relationships between the two entities is

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-27 Thread Anthony West
What is significant to Penn-obsessed, Penn-dependent readers is that the word Penn appears in a string related to Philadelphia's public life. For the rest of us neighbors, whose daily life is largely separate from Penn, we are terribly curious about what Penn is up to, because we are not

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-26 Thread Anthony West
Nutter has been hammered, and fairly so, for a Sinatra-esque management style: I did it my way. In City Council he worked deftly with anybody in sight to get things done; but the only teams he ever *joined* were teams he headed. That obviously worked well enough to get things done in Council,

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-23 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Anthony West wrote: I'm totally supportive of your rhetoric ... but baffled by your proposed legislative and administrative solutions, Ray. What are they, in this particular case? How do you think the articulation of principles, the rule of law, the rights of man, the facing down of fascism

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-22 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Joe Clarke wrote: Are we not in a crisis? Cutting the libraries without consulting the community (or the City Council) may have been hasty but where is the money going to come from to cover the deficit? Is there any area of the budget -- fire stations -- that somebody, including the city

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-22 Thread Anthony West
I'm totally supportive of your rhetoric ... but baffled by your proposed legislative and administrative solutions, Ray. What are they, in this particular case? How do you think the articulation of principles, the rule of law, the rights of man, the facing down of fascism and communism, and the

Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure

2009-01-21 Thread Joe Clarke
Glenn moyer wrote: If every leader/servant with whom you have a problem is lumped in with Hitler, then the Hitler comparision is rendered ineffective, a droning cliche. I fear it won't be long before Obama joins Nutter and any other elected official in your Gallery of Tyranny.