[UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Kyle Cassidy
Title: striking at strikes The Carpenters Union is picketing outside of our soon-to-be bowling alley. http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/temp/strikes1.jpg http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/temp/strikes2.jpg Nobody would talk to me, but my guess is they're hiring non-union labor

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Ben Rhoades
At 10:28 AM 12/7/2004, Kyle Cassidy wrote: The Carpenters Union is picketing outside of our soon-to-be bowling alley. http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/temp/strikes1.jpg http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/temp/strikes2.jpg Nobody would talk to me, but my guess is they're hiring non-u

RE: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Jonathan Cass
t: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] striking at strikes What is your biggest issue? Scab labor? In a message dated 12/7/2004 10:30:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ben Rhoades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Sigh, my biggest issue with Philad

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2004-12-07 Thread BGAndersen
What is your biggest issue? Scab labor? In a message dated 12/7/2004 10:30:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ben Rhoades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Sigh, my biggest issue with Philadelphia (and Penn in general) > >-Ben > >At 10:28 AM 12/7/2004, Kyle Cassidy wrote: > >The Carpenters Union is picketi

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Ben Rhoades
At 11:48 AM 12/7/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your biggest issue? Scab labor? Over-Unionization of the city/state which leads to everything being much more unaffordable. It is possible to get a good wage and not be part of a Union. Unions had their day (and a few actually do still ser

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread hbw
Hi, It has been proven that unions keep the general wage rates up in an area. Does anyone want to donate part of their wage to back-up their anti-unionism? I think not. I don't get paid enough. >At 11:48 AM 12/7/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>What is your biggest issue? Scab labor? > >Over-

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2004-12-07 Thread BGAndersen
OTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:48 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [UC] striking at strikes > > >What is your biggest issue? Scab labor? > >In a message dated 12/7/2004 10:30:51 AM Easter

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread BGAndersen
Unions exist to protect the interests of workers. They are meant to check the abuses of employers. Here is a great example heard on TODAY's Morning Edition: Stressed-Out Game Designers Sue Software Maker Those amazing video games that some people spend months pl

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Brian Siano
Ben Rhoades wrote: At 11:48 AM 12/7/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your biggest issue? Scab labor? Over-Unionization of the city/state which leads to everything being much more unaffordable. It is possible to get a good wage and not be part of a Union. Unions had their day (and a few a

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Clinton, J. Scott
>If they laid off all these people, they could afford to run septa and >probably have a surplus. SEPTAs problems are much greater than the cost of their labour. While every Philadelphian has their stories of rude SEPTA workers, most of them do their jobs very well in work conditions that most of

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Ben Rhoades
At 01:07 PM 12/7/2004, Clinton, J. Scott wrote: >If they laid off all these people, they could afford to run septa and >probably have a surplus. SEPTAs problems are much greater than the cost of their labour. While every Philadelphian has their stories of rude SEPTA workers, most of them do their

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Ben Rhoades
At 01:00 PM 12/7/2004, Brian Siano wrote: And pray tell, what is _your_ salary, and can you justify it when others are willing (and capable) of doing your job for less? My salary is not enough but that doesn't mean I think I should Unionize my job classification to get more money and yes I can ju

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Brian Siano
Ben Rhoades wrote: At 01:00 PM 12/7/2004, Brian Siano wrote: And pray tell, what is _your_ salary, and can you justify it when others are willing (and capable) of doing your job for less? My salary is not enough but that doesn't mean I think I should Unionize my job classification to get more mo

FW: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Jonathan Cass
y, December 07, 2004 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] striking at strikes Unionists use the epithet "scab" to refer to workers who are willing to accept terms that union workers have rejected... and that's why you are a civil litigator, and not a labor law attorne

FW: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Jonathan Cass
ssage- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] striking at strikes Unionists use the epithet "scab" to refer to workers who are willing to accept terms that u

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Ben Rhoades
At 01:38 PM 12/7/2004, Brian Siano wrote: You're telling me that, rather than get more money, you would follow principle and _not_ unionize your job classification? This doesn't sound as though you're working for your own self-interest. I'm not totally dumb, of course I'd rather have more money h

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Clinton, J. Scott
Title: Message Yes but that is the past and I'd like to think the vast majority of placesare past the point where they need unions and can get good labor and pay adecent wage w/o having to have it be over the top because a mass of peopleforce it to be. I'd like to think that too, but do you

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Ben Rhoades
At 02:32 PM 12/7/2004, Clinton, J. Scott wrote: I'd like to think that too, but do you shop at Wal-Mart?  A lot of people are starting to make a distinction between "minimum wage" and "living wage".    Personally, I believe that my earnings impart a responsibility upon me to use those monies wis

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Brian Siano
Ben Rhoades wrote: At 01:38 PM 12/7/2004, Brian Siano wrote: You're telling me that, rather than get more money, you would follow principle and _not_ unionize your job classification? This doesn't sound as though you're working for your own self-interest. I'm not totally dumb, of course I'd rathe

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Brian Siano
Ben Rhoades wrote: At 02:32 PM 12/7/2004, Clinton, J. Scott wrote: I'd like to think that too, but do you shop at Wal-Mart? A lot of people are starting to make a distinction between "minimum wage" and "living wage".Personally, I believe that my earnings impart a responsibility upon me to u

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Ben Rhoades
At 03:18 PM 12/7/2004, Brian Siano wrote: So the yardstick we're using for determing pay scales is the _intent_ of the employee to make the job a career. As for your comment that "many of the problems are people believing that their job at Wal-mart should be something to support their family," w

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Marni Sweet
ecember 07, 2004 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [UC] striking at strikes At 02:32 PM 12/7/2004, Clinton, J. Scott wrote: I'd like to think that too, but do you shop at Wal-Mart?  A lot of people are starting to make a distinction between "minimum wage" and "living w

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Brian Siano
Ben Rhoades wrote: At 03:18 PM 12/7/2004, Brian Siano wrote: So the yardstick we're using for determing pay scales is the _intent_ of the employee to make the job a career. As for your comment that "many of the problems are people believing that their job at Wal-mart should be something to suppo

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Shaera
"Well, the Wal-mart example is a good one however, I do look at it sort of different, and maybe I'm living in the 50s.  I see most of the people working at as a job, not as a career.  I don't think of Wal-mart as a career place other than maybe some management.  I shop there with that mindse

RE: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Turner,Kathleen
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:33 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [UC] striking at strikes "Well, the Wal-mart example is a good one however, I do look at it sort of different, and maybe I'm living in the 50s.

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread Krfapt
In a message dated 12/7/2004 6:16:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And why aren't they going to school or doing something to "improve" themselves so they can find a career?  Probably because they're not working at Wal-Mart OR McDonalds; they're working at Wal-M

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2004-12-07 Thread Craigsolve
In a message dated 12/7/2004 12:47:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It has been proven that unions keep the general wage rates up in an area. Citation please: OMB, CBO, Federal Reserve   PhDs currently employed by labor councils, liberal think tanks, and munchkin

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2004-12-07 Thread Charles H. Buchholtz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:57:43 EST This is a serious social problem. It can't be answered by someone who made the sacrifices to get an education or acquire skills and a work ethic saying that anybody can do it. For some, it's too late. I believe we have

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....

2004-12-07 Thread BGAndersen
Union Wage Spillover Effects Unions are likely to raise the wages of their members above market levels, and create the union-nonunion wage differential. *The observed differential is between 10-25%. *The observed differential doesn't fully tell us the correct story, because of a variety of fa

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2004-12-08 Thread L a s e r B e a m ®
Charles H. Buchholtz wrote: The French is _Qu'ils mangent de la brioche_ (not _gateau_ as one might expect). And Queen Marie-Antoinette did *not* say this. (When famine struck Paris, she actually took an active role in relievi

RE: [UC] striking at strikes .... (nickle and dimed)

2004-12-07 Thread Kyle Cassidy
Title: RE: [UC] striking at strikes (nickle and dimed) at the urging of many colleagues, i read "nickle and dimed" earlier this year and found myself thinking, more than anything else "barbara ehrenreich is a snivling whiner who really ought to get a roommate and then she&

Re: [UC] striking at strikes .... (nickle and dimed)

2004-12-07 Thread Brian Siano
Kyle Cassidy wrote: at the urging of many colleagues, i read "nickle and dimed" earlier this year and found myself thinking, more than anything else "barbara ehrenreich is a snivling whiner who really ought to get a roommate and then she'd stop spending so much of her income on rent." having the

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....Unions & Right To Work

2004-12-07 Thread Craigsolve
In a message dated 12/7/2004 12:49:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: that's why you are a civil litigator, and not a labor law attorney. The Easter Egg Man shows his dark side.   If he was a "labor lawyer" how would you determine his value to society, by which side

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....Unions & Right To Work

2004-12-07 Thread Ben
At 07:34 PM 12/7/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a member of the IBT; is there anyone on this list who is a former or current dues paying member of a labor union that is nationally affiliated? Actually, I was a member of the Communications Workers of America 3xx (I forget which, it was a whil

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....Unions & Right To Work

2004-12-07 Thread Bruce and Cynthia Haskin
TED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [UC] striking at strikes Unions & Right To Work > At 07:34 PM 12/7/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >I am a member of the IBT; is there anyone on this list who is a former or > >current dues paying member of a

RE: [UC] striking at strikes ....Unions & Right To Work

2004-12-07 Thread HBW
ECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] striking at strikes Unions & Right To Work Officer with the United Steel Workers Union (Financia Sec, Bargaining Unit Charperson and Trustee (1992-1998), now with the American Federation of Teachers (PFT Local 6, Phila) Bruce Haskin - Original Message - F

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....Unions & Right To Work

2004-12-07 Thread BGAndersen
NCFLL (AFGE) # 630 In a message dated 12/7/04 8:20:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 07:34 PM 12/7/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I am a member of the IBT; is there anyone on this list who is a former or >current dues paying member of a labor union that is nationally affiliated?

Re: [UC] striking at strikes ....Unions & Right To Work

2004-12-07 Thread Mark Krull
Local 668 SEIU -Mark-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 7, 2004 11:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] striking at strikes Unions & Right To Work NCFLL (AFGE) # 630In a message dated 12/7/04 8:20:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 07:34 PM 12/7/