Re: v8 DP3

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 03:02 PM, Roger Eller wrote: On Aug 27, 2015 3:13 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Aha. Well then the Documentation is awful as it makes none of these things clear. Over the last 40 years (cripes what a long time) I have yet to encounter any sort of computer

Quick Challenge

2015-08-27 Thread David Bovill
So what's the quickest way to tell is a word is all caps in Livecode? I guess there are a lot of ways to skin a cat with this one. This is what I'm tinkering with: function text_IsCaps someText put \b[A-Z]+\b into someReg return matchtext (word 1 to -1 of someText, someReg, anyThing)

Re: v8 DP3

2015-08-27 Thread Monte Goulding
On 27 Aug 2015, at 10:29 pm, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem is that I am working my way towards using my teaching stuff to write a book called LiveCode for Primary Kids. I’ll buy that as soon as it’s released. My son Matthew (9) is working his way through

LC 8 discovery kudos

2015-08-27 Thread Mark Wieder
I had the following line for some reason in an existing stack: repeat while the mouse is up with messages and while this has worked in all previous incarnations of LiveCode, LC 8 threw an error into the message box about it. What I wanted was to allow system messages to happen while in a tight

Re: Quick Challenge

2015-08-27 Thread Roger Eller
COOL!!! I just learned a new thing! Thanks Mike. On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote: Rogers, using truewords on mouseUp set the caseSensitive to true put Mary had a little LAMB. Its fleece was WHITE as cocaine. Everywhere that Mary went, she

Re: v8 DP3

2015-08-27 Thread Mike Bonner
I'd spring for several and provide them to the local computer lab. (depending on price of course. Very limited funds) On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Earthednet-wp proth...@earthednet.org wrote: Richmond, I'll buy it too. I have a grandson who might get into it. Not to mention a two sons

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Phil Davis
I still contend that Richmond is secretly paid by LC to keep list discussions interesting. Of course as their paid minion, I would expect him to deny this. (tongue firmly in cheek) ;-) Phil On 8/27/15 2:36 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: Mark, thanks for that quick, comprehensive and clear reply.

wrapping external dlls

2015-08-27 Thread Mike Bonner
Is it possible yet to use builder to wrap an external dll? If so, could someone point me at a hopefully simple example? Also, threading.. While I understand that in many cases multithreading can take some serious planning, But there are some instances where it would be great to just pop

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Richard Gaskin
Kay C Lan wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:03 AM, RunRevPlanet wrote: None of my comments are from the perspective that enabling LiveCode to use an external editor is a bad thing. So we agree then. As Richard said, choice is a good thing. More that for a cross platform IDE, written in

Re: Quick Challenge

2015-08-27 Thread Malte Brill
Hi David, off the top of my head: function text_is_Caps pText set the caseSensitive to true return pText = toUpper(pText) end text_is_Caps Cheers, Malte -- derbrill IT-service Malte Pfaff-Brill Alsenstr. 15, d-24768 Rendsburg Tel: +49 4331-337 640 0 eMail: i...@derbrill.de web:

Re: Quick Challenge

2015-08-27 Thread Colin Holgate
Almost typed fast enough to post the same answer! On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Malte Brill revolut...@derbrill.de wrote: Hi David, off the top of my head: function text_is_Caps pText set the caseSensitive to true return pText = toUpper(pText) end text_is_Caps Cheers, Malte

Re: Quick Challenge

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 06:39 PM, Richmond wrote: Lots of clever answers . . . Now try with this text: Քրիստոնէութեան սկիզբը Հայոց համար եղաւ նաեւ մտքի լուսաւորութեան սկիզբնաւորութիւնը. Մեր մէջ առաջին դպրոցները Լուսաւորչի աշխատանքով հաստատուեցան: Սակայն Սուրբ Գրիգորի հիմնած դպրոցները ազգային կրթութեան

Re: Quick Challenge

2015-08-27 Thread Roger Eller
A silly variation... on mouseUp set the caseSensitive to true put Mary had a little LAMB. Its fleece was WHITE as cocaine. Everywhere that Mary went, she would shout, WINNING! into tWords replace . with empty in tWords replace , with empty in tWords replace ! with empty in tWords

Re: Quick Challenge

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 05:39 PM, David Bovill wrote: So what's the quickest way to tell is a word is all caps in Livecode? I guess there are a lot of ways to skin a cat with this one. This is what I'm tinkering with: function text_IsCaps someText put \b[A-Z]+\b into someReg return matchtext

Re: Quick Challenge

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
Lots of clever answers . . . Now try with this text: Քրիստոնէութեան սկիզբը Հայոց համար եղաւ նաեւ մտքի լուսաւորութեան սկիզբնաւորութիւնը. Մեր մէջ առաջին դպրոցները Լուսաւորչի աշխատանքով հաստատուեցան: Սակայն Սուրբ Գրիգորի հիմնած դպրոցները ազգային կրթութեան համար չէին եւ չէին ալ կրնար ըլլալ, նախ

Re: Quick Challenge

2015-08-27 Thread Mike Bonner
Rogers, using truewords on mouseUp set the caseSensitive to true put Mary had a little LAMB. Its fleece was WHITE as cocaine. Everywhere that Mary went, she would shout, WINNING! into tWords repeat for each trueword thisWord in tWords if thisWord is toUpper(thisWord) then put

Re: Quick Challenge

2015-08-27 Thread David Bovill
Ah yes... I should think that's the fastest On Thursday, August 27, 2015, Colin Holgate colinholg...@gmail.com wrote: Almost typed fast enough to post the same answer! On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Malte Brill revolut...@derbrill.de javascript:; wrote: Hi David, off the top of

Re: v8 DP3

2015-08-27 Thread Earthednet-wp
Richmond, I'll buy it too. I have a grandson who might get into it. Not to mention a two sons who are elementary school teachers. Get on it! Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org On Aug 27, 2015, at 5:36 AM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote: On 27 Aug 2015, at

Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

2015-08-27 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-27 08:12, Richmond wrote: On 08/27/2015 09:59 AM, Charles Warwick wrote: /I thought I'd just open up my text file using my //*external text editor*//(at which point one // // starts to wonder what the point of the Builder is)/ Both of those require questions, and at the risk of

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 09:02 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Kay C Lan wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:03 AM, RunRevPlanet wrote: None of my comments are from the perspective that enabling LiveCode to use an external editor is a bad thing. So we agree then. As Richard said, choice is a good thing.

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Mike Bonner
You did the obvious, and restarted LC after placing the plugin right? If you didn't restart lc, and you don't want to, an easy way to force a re-read of the plugins folder is to go into the plugin settings. You don't have to do anything, just going to the settings dialog forced the re-read.

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Peter Haworth
I am having the same problem. The plugin doesn't load and it's not listed in the Plugins menu or in the Configure Plugins menu. This is with LC 6.6, and yes I did restart LC after installing it. I opened the plugin manually from the File Open menu and set it up to use the OSX Textmate editor. I

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Richard Gaskin
Peter Haworth wrote: It would of course be better if this was all built into the IDE script editor but this is a great substitute until that happens. Better is nice, but now can be even nicer. :) Plugins are not only easily shared, but also self-contained, so they make a great way to explore

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-27 21:30, Mike Bonner wrote: I got it to show up finally (7.0.6 on windows) I installed it in my personal plugins folder rather than the 7.0.6 plugins folder. On start of lc, still didn't show up, but went to plugin settings and set it to start when chosen from the plugins menu.

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Mike Bonner
I got it to show up finally (7.0.6 on windows) I installed it in my personal plugins folder rather than the 7.0.6 plugins folder. On start of lc, still didn't show up, but went to plugin settings and set it to start when chosen from the plugins menu. Changed it from invisible to modeless.

Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

2015-08-27 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/27/2015 2:33 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote: Since it's so desperately in need of improvement, and you have such a good idea of how it can be made better, perhaps you could help out? I love UK understatement. As one of those rude Americans I would have said, Okay Richmond, put your money where

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Peter Haworth
It's showing up for me now, It's in my personal plugins folder but still doesn't show up in the Development Plugins list or the Plugin Settings list, maybe because the stack name begins with rev? It's hard to locate stuff in the plugin settings list since they don't seem to be in any particular

Button Names on top of their icon?

2015-08-27 Thread Brahmanathaswami
Is there some way to get a button name to be centered on top of it's icon? This is a context where the icon is designed to be a background for the button and the center area is clear, plain, flat colored and meant to take the button label. Of course can import the image and put a transparent

Re: Button Names on top of their icon?

2015-08-27 Thread Scott Rossi
If you're using LC7, you should take a look at the iconGravity property. Dumb name (why not iconAlign?) but I think it should do what you're looking for. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 8/27/15, 9:22 PM, Brahmanathaswami bra...@hindu.org wrote: Is there

Re: Building from develop on OS X

2015-08-27 Thread Ali Lloyd
Hmm, those errors suggest revXML hasn't built properly. If you specifically built the revXML target, does it appear to succeed? On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:26 AM Charles Warwick char...@techstrategies.com.au wrote: Tried all of those, but still the same problems. I get an error that looks

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
One of the 'snags' with most screen readers is that they are NOT really screen readers at all, they are programs that read the content inwith windows of programs with which they are compatible. Until (?) someone develops a LiveCode-specific screen reader, what would be required is a

Re: Building from develop on OS X

2015-08-27 Thread Charles Warwick
Ah… specifically built the revXML target - which succeeded. Then ran development again and all was good :-) Not sure why that wasn’t getting built when building LiveCode-all target? Thanks Ali On 27 Aug 2015, at 8:01 pm, Ali Lloyd ali.ll...@livecode.com wrote: Hmm, those errors suggest

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Mark Schonewille
I thought it was the other way around: visually challenged for partially sighted and visually impaired for blind. As a non-native speaker of English, it doesn't mattering to me. I just copy what I read or hear without any emotions attached to the words themselves. -- Kind regards, Mark

Re: v8 DP3

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 01:08 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: On 2015-08-26 23:28, Richmond wrote: [wall of text] To answer the questions that I was able to identify: * The Extension Builder tool is used for compiling and packaging extensions. * Extensions may be either libraries (which add handlers to

Re: v8 DP3

2015-08-27 Thread Charles Warwick
/I thought I'd just open up my text file using my //*external text editor*//(at which point one // // starts to wonder what the point of the Builder is)/ Both of those require questions, and at the risk of being a bore, I'll reiterate them: 1. Why should there be recourse to an

Re: v8 DP3

2015-08-27 Thread AndyP
I've created a snippet for the Atom editor to make creating .lcb files a little easier In Atom (you need to have Peters packages installed first) Go FileOpen Your Snippets Add the following to the file '.source.iRev, .source.lcb': 'lcbtemplate': 'prefix': 'lcbt' 'body': '--

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 01:09 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: I thought it was the other way around: visually challenged for partially sighted and visually impaired for blind. As a non-native speaker of English, it doesn't mattering to me. I just copy what I read or hear without any emotions attached to

Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread RunRevPlanet
Richmond said: I would be most interested to see a *coherent and numbered list* of these issues rather than a chorus of people saying how awful the scriptEditor is. I put a numbered list of 10 issues (some with sub points) in the Open Source Kickstarter Report Card thread over a week

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Mark Schonewille
Richmond, Not everybody who has eye problems is immediately blind. At least, not in my environment. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer

Re: Building from develop on OS X

2015-08-27 Thread Charles Warwick
Tried all of those, but still the same problems. I get an error that looks like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wng4xqzbivacyr1/livecode-develop-error.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/wng4xqzbivacyr1/livecode-develop-error.png?dl=0 Followed by another window saying: Error while loading

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 12:05 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Richmond, Not everybody who has eye problems is immediately blind. At least, not in my environment. I assumed you were using visually challenged as a euphemism for 'blind', and visually impaired for 'partially sighted'. Otherwise there was

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Graham Samuel
Mark, thanks for that quick, comprehensive and clear reply. Graham PS In this particular context, I don’t want to be drawn into a discussion of the ‘political correctness’ of the terminology - so far, so un-Richmond-ish. On 27 Aug 2015, at 09:52, Mark Schonewille

Re: LiveCode meeting Nederland

2015-08-27 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hallo, Komend weekend zal de laatste gelegenheid zijn om de vragenlijst in te vullen. Daarna zal worden besloten wanneer en waar de LiveCode-bijeenkomst plaats zal vinden. Denk erom dat jouw antwoord van invloed is op de beslissing! Laat me hier jouw voorkeuren weten:

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 10:49 AM, RunRevPlanet wrote: Kay C Lan said: take the smart route and build adequate text handling into their products but allow integration with the industry leaders. One of the promoted strengths of LiveCode is that it is live coding. In other words I can make a

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Mark Schonewille
Graham, A screen reader is software that allows visually challenged or visually impaired people to understand what is currently on their computer screen. It allows them to find the right control so they can press the return key or space bar to activate that control and it allows them to hear

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 11:52 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Graham, A screen reader is software that allows visually challenged or visually impaired people Oh, Joy! There we are! to understand what is currently on their computer screen. It allows them to find the right control so they can press the

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screen_readers Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

open printing CRASH

2015-08-27 Thread Dan Friedman
Hello. I am printing a stack in a windows standalone. I do open printing with dialog, and it's all fine. If I run it again, it crashes the app. If I run open printing (without the with dialog) on the second try, it doesn't crash and it prints just fine. Only happens on Windows, Mac is

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread RunRevPlanet
Kay C Lan said: take the smart route and build adequate text handling into their products but allow integration with the industry leaders. One of the promoted strengths of LiveCode is that it is live coding. In other words I can make a change in my script and immediately see the effect.

Re: v8 DP3

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 09:59 AM, Charles Warwick wrote: /I thought I'd just open up my text file using my //*external text editor*//(at which point one // // starts to wonder what the point of the Builder is)/ Both of those require questions, and at the risk of being a bore, I'll reiterate them:

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Graham Samuel
I feel a bit Richmond-ish asking this (whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I leave as an exercise for the reader), but what is a screen reader in this context, and how and why has the very wide-ranging term ‘accessibility’ been hijacked in relation to it? I ask as an ignorant observer,

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 11:29 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: I feel a bit Richmond-ish asking this (whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I leave as an exercise for the reader), but what is a screen reader in this context, and how and why has the very wide-ranging term ‘accessibility’ been hijacked

Re: v8 DP3

2015-08-27 Thread Roger Eller
On Aug 27, 2015 3:13 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Aha. Well then the Documentation is awful as it makes none of these things clear. Over the last 40 years (cripes what a long time) I have yet to encounter any sort of computer programming manual that doesn't assume the