Re: Where do we want LiveCode to go? (was "Re: Where LiveCode is Now")

2019-10-08 Thread Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode
Yes Sean, that looks good! Already when I see the table, I’m blind typing, trying the page up/down keys on the keyboard, resizing the window while it is loading, trying to stress it… Peter > On Oct 8, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode > wrote: > > I'll say that is a good job so

Re: Questions about LC Server Apps

2019-10-08 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
William Prothero wrote: > Has anybody use LC for a wordpress plugin? Or perhaps a basic > wordpress site could exist alongside the LC supported site. I've considered it, but Wordpress' licensing made it incompatible with my business goals. Wordpress is GPL, and like Drupal and Joomla they're

Re: Give a bug a hug

2019-10-08 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Pi Digital wrote: >> On 8 Oct 2019, at 21:42, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> And here is a May 2016 update: >> >> https://livecode.com/trevor-devore-interviews-kevin-mark-on-infinite-livecode/ >> >> >> A small number of people keep going round and round on this a large >> number of times. >> >> Ho

Re: Where do we want LiveCode to go? (was "Re: Where LiveCode is Now")

2019-10-08 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
I'll say that is a good job so far. The grid is very responsive (but I am using a pretty fast laptop). Second time to the page was much faster than the first. And I'll agree that some of the corporate web apps that I have to use can take time to get themselves ready for anything. Even the SAP d

Questions about LC Server Apps

2019-10-08 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode
Folks: I’m doing web stuff with php and Wordpress, and reading all of the postings about LC’s HTML5 deployment. Since I have done a lot of programming of LC and have a business license, it could be a lot easier to use LC in a server environment than struggling with my minimal php skills. The le

Catalina

2019-10-08 Thread hh via use-livecode
"Catalina is a girl's name of Spanish origin meaning 'pure'". What a beautiful sounding name! But MacOS Catalina is a pure killer. Killed my beloved LC 6/7 (I need for development of Raspi stacks) and sometimes need for speed. I learned LiveCode using LC 6 in 2013. TMHO, LC 6.7.11 was the most co

Re: Give a bug a hug

2019-10-08 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
> On 8 Oct 2019, at 21:42, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > And here is a May 2016 update: > > https://livecode.com/trevor-devore-interviews-kevin-mark-on-infinite-livecode/ > > > A small number of people keep going round and round on this a large number of > times. > > How many

Re: Where do we want LiveCode to go? (was "Re: Where LiveCode is Now")

2019-10-08 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
> On 8 Oct 2019, at 19:37, JJS via use-livecode > wrote: > > So that's why i say, the HTML5 export is a nice thing to experiment, but no > visitor is going to return after the first time of long waiting, not even if > the 2nd time is somewhat quicker Again, this only potentially applies to t

Re: Where do we want LiveCode to go? (was "Re: Where LiveCode is Now")

2019-10-08 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
When first connecting to a KIP plotter web portal it takes sometimes 20 to 30 seconds to load the page. Before that it's blank. What we need to do is stop giving web devs right out of college the responsibility for creating web portals. ;-) (Always blame it on them yungsters is my motto.) Bob S

Re: Give a bug a hug

2019-10-08 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Lagi Pittas wrote: > This is what I was talking about being treated like mushrooms - no > communication as to what the future holds.- rough timescales > as to when new or reassigned resources will be implemented - what > is the intention with sqlite, 2d physics, Audio > > here is a 2014 upda

Re: Where do we want LiveCode to go? (was "Re: Where LiveCode is Now")

2019-10-08 Thread JJS via use-livecode
If you watch the movie a bit on the link i posted about the webapps, it is quite interesting. Superfast loading, works on all platforms, on all browsers. Pages and applications. Works even Offline via caches. All your work is synced when going online again (in case you have a bad connection or

Re: Give a bug a hug

2019-10-08 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
On 10/8/2019 12:42 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Pi Digital wrote: > Forgive me for saying but, except the bounty idea, wasn’t this the > whole point of it going open source - so that the community would > fix bugs themselves! Personally, I try to avoid making claims about othe

Re: Give a bug a hug

2019-10-08 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Pi Digital wrote: > Forgive me for saying but, except the bounty idea, wasn’t this the > whole point of it going open source - so that the community would > fix bugs themselves! Personally, I try to avoid making claims about other people's internal motivations. Since I'm not them, such inf

Re: Where do we want LiveCode to go? (was "Re: Where LiveCode is Now")

2019-10-08 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Pi Digital wrote: > I also don’t trust this statistic of 3 seconds. Count out 3 seconds > and see if that feels uncomfortable to you to give up. 3 seconds is the shortest threshold I've seen suggested as critical. But there's no debate on the principle in general: longer load times lose users.

Re: Get Definition

2019-10-08 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 10/8/19 5:30 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote: I’ve noticed it on that project as well, but have not narrowed down the symptoms.  I know that the definition is available at times and will need to look at it.  I have a project set up in Atom that makes searching the stack only scripts

Re: Give a bug a hug

2019-10-08 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi All, If I can interject here. WHEN they have decided that they can add new resources (it used to be people but now we are all commodities) or reassign said resources to the LC branch rather than nearly all to the LC for FM branch. If LCFM becomes the cash cow then bugs will surely be fixed qui

Re: Give a bug a hug

2019-10-08 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Terry Judd wrote: > On 8/10/19, 4:34 pm, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> I think the politicking was a big factor in killing the voting >> system. I remember many times when people would post to the list, >> urging others to cast a vote for an issue so it would rise to >> the top. Those voters may ne

Re: Give a bug a hug

2019-10-08 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Pi Digital wrote: > If it’s coded in LCS, how will you submit the PR considering LC do not > accept binaries. With very few exceptions these days, most stacks throughout the IDE were rewritten as script-only stacks specifically to facilitate collaborative development. -- Richard Gaskin Fou

Re: Give a bug a hug

2019-10-08 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
Small point on LCS... most things can probably be fixed by editing behavior scripts and not binary files.  If a binary file needs to be updated, you can write a script to transform the binary and submit it (then a core team member can review and apply the change). I’ll agree that feature adds t

Re: Give a bug a hug

2019-10-08 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
> On 8 Oct 2019, at 14:52, Mike Kerner via use-livecode > wrote: > > • insert delay while patrons enjoy the benefit of financing the fix How does this bit work. If the PR has been submitted, how will others benefit unless a build is released? Who would be responsible for that considering it’s

Re: Where do we want LiveCode to go? (was "Re: Where LiveCode is Now")

2019-10-08 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
And as we know from past experience, the loading bar doesn't even have to reflect the *actual* progress! ;-) Bob S > On Oct 8, 2019, at 04:45 , Pi Digital via use-livecode > wrote: > > That would be true for a ‘page’ that did not load in 3 sec but if you have a > loading bar they would pro

Re: Give a bug a hug

2019-10-08 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
i am so not being clear about this. i hate it when no one else understands what i'm not saying. i am not proposing a system that is either administered by LC or where LC is involved in the work. what i am proposing is that all of us control this process. it's our money, right? We propose the bo

Re: Get Definition

2019-10-08 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
I’ve noticed it on that project as well, but have not narrowed down the symptoms.  I know that the definition is available at times and will need to look at it.  I have a project set up in Atom that makes searching the stack only scripts easy. Thanks, Brian On Oct 8, 2019, 1:38 AM -0400, J. Lan

Re: Where do we want LiveCode to go? (was "Re: Where LiveCode is Now")

2019-10-08 Thread Jjs via use-livecode
I really don't think so. Even with a loading bar, i aint gonna wait that long, maybe just one time. In the 28K8 era we waited for +20minutes for a few megabytes, because it was new. Now everyone is spoiled with fast internet and always in a hurry. "Remember that 87.6543 % of statistics are made

Re: Where do we want LiveCode to go? (was "Re: Where LiveCode is Now")

2019-10-08 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
For me this depends on the website. For new unknown websites, let´s say i found the url by a google search, i would not wait any longer than 3, maybe 5 seconds, even if a loading bar would show up. For websites i know or if i really have an important reason to visit them, i would wait of cours

Re: Where do we want LiveCode to go? (was "Re: Where LiveCode is Now")

2019-10-08 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
Hehe. That statistic is served by DoubleClick. Definitely NOT to be trusted! It’s also self-serving to Google’s narrative. Click the link to drill down to the source details and Safari blocks it as untrustworthy. Chrome doesn’t but that’s because it’s made by Google!! 53% at 3 seconds indeed. Th

Re: Where do we want LiveCode to go? (was "Re: Where LiveCode is Now")

2019-10-08 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
That would be true for a ‘page’ that did not load in 3 sec but if you have a loading bar they would probably be more willing. While developing for HTML5 I have to post up to the website and then refresh the page to reload the whole thing which takes about 10 seconds. But even after repeated ti

Re: Give a bug a hug

2019-10-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
On 8.10.19 11:35, Richmond wrote: "the severity of a bug be determined by the team" Presumably by "the team" you mean LiveCode Central? Somewhere in this discussion there was the idea that, perhaps, "the team" already had so much on their plate that both determining the severity of bugs and

Re: Give a bug a hug

2019-10-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
"the severity of a bug be determined by the team" Presumably by "the team" you mean LiveCode Central? Somewhere in this discussion there was the idea that, perhaps, "the team" already had so much on their plate that both determining the severity of bugs and sorting them out were handled by pe

Re: Give a bug a hug

2019-10-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
OK: I really need to clarify what I wrote there . . . "if that were the case . . ." What I meant is that, as far as I can see (pace Microsoft, Apple, et al), software developers release versions "into the wild" knowing that the chances of them being 100% bug-free is practically nil, and relyi