Re: Re [OT] Snakey Problem

Mark Wieder wrote: On 08/13/2018 11:52 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Agreed. To clarify, I know you well enough to know you've been around that block a few times. I took this opportunity to write a "why licensing" post because I see a *lot* of libraries and other components in

Re: Re [OT] Snakey Problem

On 08/13/2018 11:52 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Agreed.  To clarify, I know you well enough to know you've been around that block a few times.  I took this opportunity to write a "why licensing" post because I see a *lot* of libraries and other components in our community

Re: Re [OT] Snakey Problem

Mark Wieder wrote: > On 08/13/2018 11:22 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: > >> And personally, I think that's very useful for all of us, well worth >> the time it takes to find and include explicit license terms that >> express our intentions. > > What I said. And by misspeaking 'no

Re: Re [OT] Snakey Problem

On 08/13/2018 11:39 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: Yes - its changed over the years - mostly not particularly notably (and mainly due to the transition from privately owned to the PSF I think). I And possibly more changes in the works, now that GvR stepped down as Benevolent

Re: Re [OT] Snakey Problem

On 2018-08-13 20:26, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: Ah, Software Licensing Agreement (For both personal and commercial use). For humans: You bought a copy of this software, it's yours to do whatever you like. The code is open for you to examine or modify. Don't take me to court saying you

Re: Re [OT] Snakey Problem

On 08/13/2018 11:22 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: And personally, I think that's very useful for all of us, well worth the time it takes to find and include explicit license terms that express our intentions. What I said. And by misspeaking 'no license' what I meant was that

Re: Re [OT] Snakey Problem

On 08/13/2018 10:32 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: > I've no intention of starting a licensing war and I'm not, but I think I do have to make an important point so as to not mislead others who are also looking to sell the software they produce (of which there are probably a fair

Re: Re [OT] Snakey Problem

Mark Wieder wrote: > Not wanting to get into licensing wars here (the 'silly licensing' > thing was not meant to be a poke at LC), but the stacks I sell have an > initial low purchase price but no 'license' involved. Everyone who respects creative work, and certainly every professional looking

Re: Re [OT] Snakey Problem

On 2018-08-13 18:13, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: Nope. Not wanting to get into licensing wars here (the 'silly licensing' thing was not meant to be a poke at LC), but the stacks I sell have an initial low purchase price but no 'license' involved. A registration code is required to

Re: Re [OT] Snakey Problem

Ouch . . . I don't know why this has to degenerate into a sort of flame war about whether one has to pay for things or not. [Within the next few weeks I will have to pay LiveCode to relicence my Indy version of LiveCode - I am well aware of why I am going to do this; and, which is probably

Re: [OT] Snakey Problem

Dunno about that . . . Let us suppose, for the moment at least, that the story of the Garden of Eden, in the Bible, while not being literally true, is a powerful and cogent psychological lesson . . . A rather beastly, paternalistic, sexist, bullying demi-urgos called Ialdabaoth gets too big

Re: [OT] Snakey Problem

That sounds marvellous, in theory, but for legal reasons the computers in my school do not have internet access. Richmond. On 13/8/2018 5:57 pm, Devin Asay via use-livecode wrote: Richmond, One of my colleagues who teaches Python uses a cloud-based service called PythonAnywhere. The basic

Re: Re [OT] Snakey Problem

On 08/13/2018 08:57 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: Last time I checked you sold at least two products which required a license... If you think licensing is silly, then why do you sell licensed software and not just give it away for free and open source as 'public domain'? :P

Re: Re [OT] Snakey Problem

On 2018-08-13 17:34, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: On 08/13/2018 02:21 AM, Peter W A Wood via use-livecode wrote: Like it or not (and mainly NOT), I have to offer Python to kids this fall . . . Frankly, Python, by using this module system seems to defeat itself to a certain extent:

Re: Re [OT] Snakey Problem

On 08/13/2018 08:34 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: coexist well. I have pip 9.0.1 and pip3 1.5.4 installed. (talking to myself...) My bad - I was looking at the wrong screen. I actually have pip 18.0 installed. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com

Re: Re [OT] Snakey Problem

On 08/13/2018 02:21 AM, Peter W A Wood via use-livecode wrote: Like it or not (and mainly NOT), I have to offer Python to kids this fall . . . Frankly, Python, by using this module system seems to defeat itself to a certain extent: or, maybe I'm just spoilt by LiveCode. We all are . But

Re: [OT] Snakey Problem

Why do snakes get their own day?? They are the source of all our problems! Bob S > On Aug 13, 2018, at 07:57 , Devin Asay via use-livecode > wrote: > > This question is very timely as Wednesday is Nag Panchami: the day of snakes! > > Richmond.

Re: [OT] Snakey Problem

Richmond, One of my colleagues who teaches Python uses a cloud-based service called PythonAnywhere. The basic plan is free for anyone to use. You access it through a web browser. You may find it useful. Host, run, and code Python in the cloud: PythonAnywhere

Re [OT] Snakey Problem

Richmond I am no Python expert having only got over Pythonaphobia, which I contracted last century, in the last few months. The standard Python library, which is included in the distribution, includes the TKinter GUI library. When Python starts up, it doesn’t load many of the standard

[OT] Snakey Problem

Like it or not (and mainly NOT), I have to offer Python to kids this fall . . . This is a b*gger for several reasons: 1. I love LiveCode. 2. To use Python to any effect apart from rather goofy manipulations with numbers and text an install requires 'modules' which are usually installed using