RE: Making Sense of Licenses (bounced when server went down)

2011-10-26 Thread Ralph DiMola
-Original Message- From: use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Alcibiades Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 4:42 AM To: use-revolut...@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Making Sense of Licenses I've always found Rev very fair

Re: Making Sense of Licenses (bounced when server went down)

2011-10-26 Thread Mark Schonewille
So... you agree. With what exactly? Do you have any understanding of the problem Mike, I and many others face? Do you mean it is stupid of me to expect being able to download a trial version every time RunRev releases a new version of LC? Is it stupid of me to expect at least one additional

RE: Making Sense of Licenses (bounced when server went down)

2011-10-26 Thread Ralph DiMola
...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schonewille Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 4:09 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: Making Sense of Licenses (bounced when server went down) So... you agree. With what exactly? Do you have any understanding

Re: Making Sense of Licenses (bounced when server went down)

2011-10-26 Thread Mark Schonewille
Ralph, I did e-mail Heather. RunRev refuses to make trial copies available continuously. RunRev expects me to buy RunRev 5.0 without being able to test it first. Of course, they could decide differently, but they don't. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-21 Thread Peter Alcibiades
I've always found Rev very fair, even generous, on pricing, and when I've contacted Heather on what my best option was she told me exactly what to buy (or actually what not to buy!) to get best value in my circumstances. Its one reason why I'm still with Livecode and recommend them. I am sure

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-21 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Peter, Good for you. How does your story help me solve my problem or help Mike to decide what to do (or even help OP answer his question ;-) ). -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter:

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-21 Thread Peter Alcibiades
it says talk to Heather, she will work out something that's fair, and it also says stay with them because this is a long term thing. It may be that some things about pricing or licensing are not what you would like right now, but over time it will be OK. It also says that there are alternatives,

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Ian Wood
Did the omega bundle include updates? Have you contacted RunRev about this? I'm paid up until 2015 but LC 5.0.0 wasn't showing up as a downloadable item, they fixed this within a couple of hours of my contacting them. Ian On 20 Oct 2011, at 05:47, Admin wrote: I wish Runrev would man up and

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Ian Wood
On 20 Oct 2011, at 03:51, RevList wrote: What does the second category mean? Does this mean that my license has expired, and if I want to be able to deply stand alone apps for Mac, Windows and Linux I have to pay? Whatever version of LiveCode you have will continue to work. If you have

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Ian Wood
According to Heather, he didn't upgrade to Complete but to some other bundle. Ian On 20 Oct 2011, at 12:17, Mark Schonewille wrote: If you upgraded to Complete a few months ago... shouldn't you be receiving updates for one year without having to pay again? If not, then I'm so happy I

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Mark Schonewille
Ian, Hence if. I hope Mike will tell what actually happened, after sorting it out with Heather. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 See what you get

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Admin
Heather, Oh. In every other program I have purchased, including software IDEs, it is almost always common to get a year (or more) of updates, so it was kind of assumed. For some reason, I thought I upgraded to complete, but you are right about me upgrading to Gold. I checked my purchases.

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Mike, I agree. It would be nice to either know what to expect or get free updates for a reasonable amount of time. RealStudio offers 3 months of updates for free. That's reasonable and avoids unexpected surprises. Thus I didn't need to think long before buying my RealStudio license. When I

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread RevList
It seems my original post was hijacked with the first response and no one answered my question. I need to know when my licenses expire and what it all means. Please point me in the right direction. Stewart I have to admit that I have not paid much attention to this lately so I may have missed

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Keith Clarke
Licences do not expire - only the right to free updates. These, in turn, depend on exactly what you bought, when and whether you specifically purchased an an active renewal pack (or are living in the grace period from your original/last order). Any recent order will have the updates grace

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Mike Felker
I would talk to Heather at runrev directly to get your answer. To me, the answer seems to be depends. Mike RevList revl...@createchsol.com wrote: It seems my original post was hijacked with the first response and no one answered my question. I need to know when my licenses expire and what it

RE: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Lynn Fredricks
I'd like to re-iterate however, that we certainly never promised a year of updates with the Omega bundle. The only license type we sell that carries a year of updates is the Complete license. The Omegabundle included Pro 1 desktop and 1 mobile, which came to a $499 value (at the time). I

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Mike Felker
In all fairness, I attended the summer academy and earned quite a few upgrades/deployment options for free and then they offered me a great deal on the gold option. If it were not for the buginess of the web deployment module and the incompleteness of the android deployment module, I would be

RE: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Mike Felker
Funny thing is, of all the goodies offered in the omega bundle, I bought it for live code, android and Franklin 3d. The SQL yoga seemed cool, but I have yet to use it. It was easier for me to just code the MySQL directly inside live code. It was all very straight forward and easy. But the

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Mike, I think everybody got a good deal on the Gold edition, exactly because 5.0 was around the corner. Pay for 4.6, then pay again for 5.0 or pay extra for free updates. A very good deal always has a catch. Ultimately it doesn't matter much whether you accept a special offer or pay for a

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Admin wrote: Oh. In every other program I have purchased, including software IDEs, it is almost always common to get a year (or more) of updates, so it was kind of assumed. For some reason, I thought I upgraded to complete, but you are right about me upgrading to Gold. I checked my purchases.

RE: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Lynn Fredricks
But the price of the omega bundle, together with earning deployment options in the summer academy was just too enticing. I gave in and spent the money. However, for my troubles, I lost my main client due to the web deployment module simply not working. You can see why I am a bit jaded.

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Heather Nagey
Please email me in supp...@runrev.com and I can help you work out what you need. Regards, Heather On 20 Oct 2011, at 15:28, RevList wrote: It seems my original post was hijacked with the first response and no one answered my question. I need to know when my licenses expire and what it all

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Pete
I'm curious as to what happens if you do this. If I opt to not get my 5.0 upgrade, then when 6.0 comes out decide I want it, do I have to pay the 6.0 upgrade fee AND the 5.0 upgrade fee? I would guess yes otherwise I'd be getting the 5.0 fixes and enhancements for free. Pete Molly's Revenge

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Pete, You never know what future brings, but I believe you'd pay for a new license instead of a renewal. If you wait yet another year, you'd still pay the same price for 7.0, which means you get all 6.0 features for free, just like any new customer. In my case, I'd pay for 5.0 after having

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-20 Thread Maarten Koopmans
...precisely why I renewed, because upgrade fees per component are not too much compared with a new license. But, I have the dev program too, so far worth the money, especially if you're doing mobile. LC has a much more agressive release cycle these dats, with smaller improvement coming faster in

Re: Making Sense of Licenses

2011-10-19 Thread Admin
To add to the below questions: I paid for a year of updates, or so I thought, when I bought the Omega Bundle much less than a year ago. Yet, now I have to pay. As someone who has NO money and would like to finish what I started, I was under the impression I was due for a bunch more updates.