Hi Eric,
Thanks for this. Interesting to see your technique.
One question. I always thought 'repeat until mouse is up' was
discouraged as it is does not allow multi-tasking for other apps while
in use. I've always used mouseMove for this sort of thing. Has that
changed?
-Chipp
Peter,
Thanks for posting this. Josh's story does appear to be a bit of a
Chicken Little the sky is falling report.
I use XP and not Vista, and according to your article, if I read it
right, XP is even more vulnerable. And while I'm on multiple XP
computers up to 8+ hrs most days-- I can't
I believe most of us who develop commercial apps have our own spin on
how to do this best-- and are certainly reluctant to share our
techniques in an open list such as this.
That said, for me there are a number of issues which go into design
considerations.
First of all, it's important to know
Updated these so that now it installs a library stack to your main
stack, so that the scrollbars will now resize with the field it's
attached to. Optimized some of the code too.
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a plugin which allows one to create
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Josh Mellicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If this is indeed 'unfixable', some organizations concerned about these
attacks might consider a migration to OS X?
Wouldn't it be much easier to just switch browsers from IE to Firefox?
Thanks Eric,
Here's what I ended up with:
function altEffectiveVisible pLongControlName
if not the vis of pLongControlName then return false
replace group with cr group in pLongControlName
filter pLongControlName with group*
repeat for each line L in pLongControlName
put offset(
Tooning Malte?. Wow. cool...great idea!
http://meshbox2d.com/caricatures.html
Now if you can just get a pop at Engadget or DownloadSquad or
someother well-read blog.
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Trying to figure out how to find the effective visibility property
of a control.
Here's why:
Say you have 2 buttons: red and blue in a group.
If you put in msg:
put the vis of btn red
it will return true
If you HIDE the group with the 2 buttons then
put the vis of btn red
it still returns
Well, it doesn't solve my problem at this time. I suppose I'll have to
write a parent recursive routine isEffectiveVisibile to walk through
all the groups.
Ken Ray pointed out sharply this isn't the case with 'disabled.' When
you disable a group, it disables all the controls within the group.
If
Then there's our altArchive plugin, which has been around since before
time-- still works great.
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginCover/About.htm
When used with the altToolbar, it saves the topstack and also creates
a serialized backup.
-Chipp
If there is a stack C:/myStack.rev then
else
end if
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Trevor's got a SUPER write-up on the new m-dim arrays in Rev 3.0 in the
latest newsletter. I encourage everyone to read it as it explains in a
simple way and in great detail how to use them. Plus, he throws in a stack
which can convert XML to Rev 3's m-dim arrays and back. Very cool and mucho
I'm pretty sure they are persistent. At lease I remember only setting them
once.
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Hello Friends,
a quick question, anyone knows how persistent is httpproxy and
httpheaders? I want to know if I need to set them everytime or
Here's a plugin which allows one to create custom colored scrollbars for
fields in Rev. It's ONLY BEEN TESTED ON WinXP. So, any of you Mac, Vista or
Linux folks can check it out and let me know if it works.
It's pretty simple and not as beautiful or fancy as those created by Scott
Rossi, but it's
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Chipp,
BTW, who authored the text in the scrolling field?
It's a John F. Kennedy speech:
Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You
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If they don't include vector sources (preferably in Fireworks format, but I
realize I'm in the minority on that one) they'll be of limited value.
Richard,
Perhaps...But, ButtonGadget creates all sorts of buttons in all
I doubt it will be fast enough for you. Why don't you try using a graphic
rectangle on top using an ink effect?
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It's a custom property set which is created and changed. I think it's
cREVGeometry.
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Congratulations Malte,
I just wanted to add my two cents to this wonderful library.
A while back, I purchased Malte Brill's Animation Engine library from
RevSelect.I spent a few hours and created a very interesting little 3D
wireframe viewer stack. I only needed 2 functions from Malte's library
OOPS,
Just checking in and saw this thread. Yep, I think you all figured it
out. I checked Malte's notes and didn't see where he changed the
specific parts of his library which affected my stack.
I wrote that stack probably about a year ago, and posted it on this
list then as well. It was meant
IIRC, my 3D stack has a copy of the old animationEngine library with
it. I believe it can only be run in demo mode within the Rev IDE, and
only for a certain number of days. So, there's no need to open the new
animationEngine library-- and if you do, you may get conflicts.
OR... remove the old
You also might want to take a look at this library. It's very good and easy
to use:
http://users.telenet.be/quartam/pdf4rev/index.html
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Tom Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi All,
Has anyone found a way in windows to print a card to a PDF file? It seems
Bill,
Typically re-launching is done with a helper app, which is sort of a
Catch-22 issue with Rev-- because if you downloaded a new engine for your
app, who's to say the helper app's engine isn't going to have a problem
launching as well.
Of course, you could also get tricky and try and create
Make sure you pass the menupick handler in your menupick script.
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Andres Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello
Suddenly, any new Option Menu object is not working in our project.
It shows the menu, and the label is changed to the clicked selection, but
the
I'm with Ken using the waystation dialog. I typically use these for many of
my apps as there's typically a number of different reports required for
printing.
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Yeah Richard-- saw that. And they are right. Vista is not ready for prime
time-- at least IMHO. I think I'll wait another year or so.
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John,
I just finished doing a report generator for a project I'm on. I'm using 2.9
and have seen no problems with Vista *YET*. I'll keep you posted if I do.
Wouldn't the world be simpler if we all just stayed in XP? I've yet to find
a single compelling reason to switch to Vista. In my mind, MS
Just a suggestion...
Is there anyway to use Applescript to copy the data to the clipboard? Then
perhaps the clipbaord[image] could be used to access it.
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The latest version of MacOS includes a translucent menu bar at the top. I
finally figured out how to get it back to a solid color:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071115135215262
Any idea on how to turn off the blurring in the menus? They are much more
difficult to read with all
Joe, if you're using Leopard, the menu bar (the bar at the top of the screen
with the apple, File, Edit, etc..menus on it) is translucent. Just change
your desktop background to see the effect.
Perhaps there are some settings you have changed for your desktop to help
you with your vision which
Thanks Jacque for the new OS update mention. I'm downloading all 180 Mbs of
it now.
The blur is intentional and 'part' of the menu. It's not a sys mag issue.
The white part of the menu is about 20% transparent and it blurs what's
beneath it. It makes the menus hard to read. I imagine the new
I found a website with the whole story...turns out it affects Font
anti-aliasing, too.
http://earthlingsoft.net/ssp/blog/2007/11/x5_menu_bar
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The update fixed things. The menus are now only a tiny bit transparent, and
acceptable. Thanks all for your help!
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Thanks a lot for that Ben
NB - what about the new Linux based Nokia Tablets... it seems like quite a
few Linux apps are being ported without too much trouble - seems GTK+ /
Gnome based... not sure what Rev 2.9 requires...
I agree with Richard. Many times I've had a client come to me and say they
want to build an application which does such and such like this app, but in
addition other stuff like this other app. If one couldn't look at
competitors products, then we would have exactly one word processor, one
I use gmail...let's see what it does for me.
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It puts it at the end of the thread and I can see it immediately.
I've subscribed to this list with a different email address than my gmail
address and I've setup gmail to use my other address in the 'FROM' part of
the email.
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Maybe Apple's compressor is overiding the window size? Try another
compressor and see what happens.
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Thank Eric! I'll have to take a look-see.
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Jim,
I use WinXP everyday on 3 different computers, plus my daughter has one as
does my wife. I've installed the free AVG and have can't remember the last
time I had a virus, or my daughter, or my wife.
The last time I had any major problems was when a RevDeleteFolder command
got passed an empty
Yeah. what he said.
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Is there a demo out there that shows how to use the new drag-and-drop
features of 2.9 that I missed?
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Stay away from using Idle,Idle rates, etc..They're there for legacy purposes.
The best way I've found to create a multi-task is by using 'send in
time'. It works well and reliably, and gives your users a chance to do
other things while waiting.
I've an image browser which creates thumbnails from
Peter,
My guess is you're saving changes to a different main.rev than the
splashscreen executable is opening. Or...you're not really saving the
changes. Remember, you must issue an explicity 'save stack' for the
changes to be saved, unlike Hypecard where they were always saved
automatically.
Mark,
Thanks for the plugin...SUPER IDEA and it works great in WinXP!
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Mark Schonewille
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Btw, if you go to the Economy-x-Talk homepage (see below) and click on
Developers on the left side of the page, you can download a search
plugin
Nope, no built-in way. Yours is fine. Interesting is that you can also
find the mouseColor under the cursor even if outside the stack. One of
the ways I use to 'grab' colors from an eyedropper like tool.
-Chipp
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You might want to check and see what externals you were using when Rev crashed.
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Joseph,
You shouldn't use:
post field f_web to URL tURL -- ?? nothing happen
nless you want to go through the trouble of setting up a php script to
handle multi-part encoded files.
Instead, ftp the files up to the website.
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I'm all for: Learn Programming in 1 Day
As a captivating headline, I'd say it's doing it's job just fine.
Witness the results.
Good job Bill!
Years ago I attended an incredible PR and marketing seminar. And for a
rather hefty fee, they shared some secrets of creating compelling
headlines..one's
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
NOT TRUE? The average thickness of the AIR is less than 1/2. Is there
a thinner one?
There's that wordsmithing again. Average thickness?
Check out the Vaio X505 which is thinner than Air at a maximum
thickness of
Whatever.
and it's Chipp, with 2 p's.
And here's one thinner. So there. Big deal.
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070523_272039.htm
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frankly, Chip, the phrase average thickness was mine; not
I didn't remember Apple's bold claim to be Thinnest laptop which
shipped. I was in Japan a couple of months ago, and they had a couple
of laptops thinner than the Mac Air.
And a quick Google on Apple's thinnest laptop claim finds this on page one:
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Colin Holgate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Whatever.
and it's Chipp, with 2 p's.
He was trying to make you thinner too.
Ha! good one. I only wish it was that easy!
Did that machine ever ship
Learn Programming in 1 Day
Certainly a bold claim-- not unlike many of the claims I make to my
clients like, Write a Timeline based Video Editor with 3 Audio
Tracks, from Scratch in under 40 hours.
Frankly, Rev's bold claim has already been the subject of near 20
messages on this list-- I'd say
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
New thinking is good.
Sure, I don't argue new thinking is a great way to do new things. Take the
iPhone for instance. A lot of new thinking went into it, and it shows,
though the whole finger as pointing device I do take
One other thing about Ribbon. Microsoft now has incorporated it into it's
own MS Office User Interface Guidelines. So, they encourage licensees, or
actually demand they abide by certain rules or else they violate the terms
of the license the User Interface Guidelines. Which pretty much means they
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim, I love it. Of course, I love all sorts of conspiracy theories -
even the really stupid ones. After the kinds of things Gates pulled,
initially, he would have deserved such treatment. (smile)
No arguing Gates has
No kidding. The simple fact is, it's an inferior product at this time. WinXP
takes less memory, and generally work much faster.
One of the issues as I see it is MS took what...5 years to release this,
compared to Apple's regular release around every 2 years? Compound it with
the contradiction
Let me get this straight. You're telling me the most noteworthy CEO
performer of all time, keeps all his charity contributions a secret, EXCEPT
for those done for the Democratic Party. Right.
Frankly, I doubt any of the school children aided by the 2 billion dollars
care WHY they are the
Hi Tom,
Nope, I haven't, but I'll ask Chris about it, and hopefully let you know
what he says.
best,
Chipp
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Chipp, others,
I tried to open google docs in my REV browser and it said I needed to
use a more up to date
IMO, one of the most interesting parts of the new Office interface, is it's
complete disdain for the past. In fact, ask any user of pre-2007 Office how
to simply Open or Print a document, and they're confounded. The old File,
Edit, ... menu structure is just GONE. Completely. Replaced by a round
As Nicolas say, yes, RR supports playing them.
No, other than exporting a single image as GIF, there is no known way to
export an animated GIF in RunRev.
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Hi,
Can we create animated GIF's in RunRev? Will RR support
You can also use ButtonGaget2, which works as a plugin inside of Rev:
www.buttongadget.com
-Chipp
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2) create and script your own controls using images and/or graphics.
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Yep, you're correct.
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You can find altClean at:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginDownload/Downloads.htm
Also from my site:
Sometimes on rare occasion, the GM will stop working. Perhaps a setting
conflicts with another. When this happens, it's most difficult to debug GM.
Here are some hints:
1) Turn off
David,
As Richard said, I find stacks the idea binary data storage container, too.
In fact many of our customers apps have stack based document files, which
have zero business logic and in fact are never seen by the user. Works
great. And, if for some reason you need an intermediary format, one
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 7:36 AM, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well to bring out my 6 shooter - it means you don't talk about code you
supply a diff which does the talking for you.
Just so I understand better, let me get this straight: A nice cvs system
which supplies diffs will help
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 7:49 AM, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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and learn from them, and relatively quickly code your own thing. All that
is
great - but we miss out not being able to grab an open image browser
widget,
altImageViewer at:
When you 'enter a group', Rev does some fancy 'behind the scenes'
stuff to make it look like you're actually editing a group. But IIRC,
they've created a new stack with the same objects and let you edit
them there. The old (original) stack is now gone and only comes back
when you get out of group
Richard, thanks...couldn't have said it better..but I will add a footnote...
David, another point to understand is the recompilation of a complete
stack from text files, is a very difficult, if not impossible task to
undertake. I should know. I worked with David Johnson for over a year
on a
Agreed 100%.
Key word in the below sentence is architectural. IMO, a properly
designed architecture can handle multiple programmers, each working on
their own stacks. After all, remember, one can insert 50 stack
libraries into the message path.
best,
Chipp
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:58 AM,
Ben,
No, it only manages stacks. No diff'ing. It's fairly simple as it
uploads and keeps track of changes for individual stacks.
-Chipp
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You mean something like?
on mouseUp
repeat with x = 1 to the number of cds in this stack
put the long name of cd x cr the script of cd x crcr after tScripts
repeat with y=1 to the number of controls on cd x
put the long name of control y of cd x cr the script of
control y of cd x
Coming a bit late to this party. I've successfully used Rev in a
multi-developer environment using our own auto-update architecture and
MagicCarpet.
It basically works like this. Individual developers check out stacks
from a web server using MagicCarpet, work on them, then check them
back in
I agree.
All our software products are released for people..not machines. I hate
products which force an install on only one machine and try my very best to
never use them.
-C
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Great,
Thanks for all the interest. I'm currently trying to finish RocketsEditor,
which when complete will create a much easier workflow for anyone working
with Rev CGI's from within Rev.
It has the following features:
- Work with either local or server files and folders, allowing users an easy
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Colin Holgate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The more annoying marketing thing was that right after I had bought
it with that deal, a new deal came out (the Christmas bundle one),
which would have been much more valuable and interesting to me.
Just wondering, did
And you can signup to be notified when tutorials are completed. Of course
the signup form is a RevOnRockets cgi!
www.revonrockets.com
-Chipp and Andre
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For those of you who don't know, Rev On Rockets is a set of libraries, and a
workflow created by Andre Garzia for implementing Rev CGI quickly and easily
on servers. It's free.
So, why would anyone want to use it? Well, before I get into the various
uses for RevCGI, I'd like to tell why I'm so
Part II
So, the other really cool part of ROR (Rev On Rockets) is it comes with it's
own webserver, which runs locally, and is ENTIRELY REV BASED. So, you can
edit and debug your RevCGI right in Rev without even being connected to the
Internet. This is an extreme ease-of-use workflow addition to
OK, Let's do this! I'm putting together a quick Hemingway website where we
can start all of this. I'm hoping to have something up there soon for you
all to look at.
Trevor, thanks for the SS offer-- we may wish to take you up on that. I'll
get w/you offline.
-C
Jacque,
I did confirm that 2.9 dp3 works as long as the first line has the -ui
switch:
#!revolution -ui
I would imagine the dp 4 is the same. Just thought you should know.
-C
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Hi Mark,
Certainly links to the tutes can be put there, but Andre and I have a
website started and I think we're still deciding on the best format for the
tutes.
-Chipp
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Hi all,
I'm still trying to get a cgi working at JaguarPC. I've created a folder
mycgi and put the revolution engine in it, etc. I've successfully created a
'helloworld.cgi' which works.
Next I used Jacque's echo.mt scriptchanged it to echo.cgi and it works
fine.
Then, I created a small
As Chris tells me...
Now you get to answer your own question.
Which is simply the 2.6.6 engine doesn't open a 2.8.1 stackDUH
So, now off to download the 2.9 beta engine and try that one...
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Are you sure?
http://bjoernke.com/runrev/cgi.php
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You can't open files in a cgi script (opening a stack requires the UI,
which doesn't exist in the cgi engine.) You have to start using stack
instead. Change the open
formats? I
imagine there are some shared library dependencies which may not be 'hooked
up correctly' for 2.9 to work-- though this is only a guess.
-Chipp
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Chipp Walters wrote:
Hi all,
I'm still trying to get a cgi
Yeah, I guess I'll have to work my CGI's in 2.6.1.bummer as I hate
working in 2 diff IDE's.
This legacy format thing really sucks especially since there's no engine
support for the new format.
I tried uploading and using the file called Standalone (renaming it
'revolution') in the Linux
Well, I got the cgi up and running. Open stack worked fine. Supposedly you
need to call close stack though I haven't tested it.
Another note of interest...
my comments are typically:
-- THIS IS A COMMENT...2 DASHES FOLLOWED BY A GREATER THAN SIGN
but they just hang the cgi for some reason
OK, Figured out the problem with the preserve stack format, and my own Save
Legacy format plugin.
You used to be able to set the stackFileVersion and it would stay set. Now
the RevSave version overides it as it's looking for a RevGeneral custom prop
in working with Preserve stack file version on
Hey Scott,
This is Mac only.
Don't know if this will helpbut it does demonstrate manually walking
through directories (I think) on a Unix based machine (MacOSX). I don't have
my Mac w/me, but you may be able to cobble something together based upon
some of the code here:
altFileMgr
You can access the stack in msg:
go URL http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/revAltFileMgr.rev;
on second look, it appears to use the defaultfolder...sorry. But the idea is
do a directory listing via shell, which, IMO, should work.
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Spent some time with Andre this evening, and he sent me the 2.9 dp3 Linux
engine, which also didn't work. Then he looked at the top of my CGI script
and saw this:
#!revolution
and he changed it to this:
#!revolution -ui
and everything worked. Evidently the -ui switch means run without graphics
Hi Richard,
What I intended to say was:
I've decided to try JaguarPC. I've chosen the least expensive plan they
have.
A previous email from Andre was mentioning a number of the different
opitons, and I was just saying which plan I signed up for.
Sorry for the confusion,
Chipp
Katirswami,
If you don't get any answers, I'd suggest creating a 'stack version' of the
problem, then post it and others can take a look. Most of us don't have a
Rev server available to test scripts on.
-Chipp
On Feb 18, 2008 12:43 PM, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I dunno... I will
Hi Jacque,
I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you suggested
JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them?
Anyone else have any good recommendations and instruction setup tips? TIA,
Chipp
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in case you need.
It's pretty straight forward, the 2.9-dp-3 is running out of the box in
there.
cheers
Andre
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Hi Jacque,
I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you
suggested
JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still
Well, I've decided to try out JaguarPC and the least expensive option. So,
exactly which version of the Rev engine do I install? I suppose it's a Linux
one, and I suppose I put it in the cgi-bin folder. The latest one available
from the RunRev site is 2-6.1, so do I just put the revolution.x86
And some other questions...do I rename revolution.x86 to
revolution.cgi? And if I try Jacque's helloworld script:
#!revolution
on startup
put Content-Type: text/plain cr cr
put Hello World!
end startup
and I name it hello.cgi how does it know to run with the
revolution.cgi? So may
Thanks Nicolas,
Yep, I see where the engine needs to be named revolution (no
extension) and that the first line in the cgi script will call it. I'm
using the Linux version of revolution on the server but I can't seem
to get it to work. I wonder if there's some other setup which must be
done.
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