Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: in the early '90s a magazine premiered called New Media -- anyone here have the first two issues? I might. I definitely remember the first year or two it sported the cool square format before it became more mainstream. I think I still have the first issue of

Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread xbury . cs
And more trivia: Atkinson's original vision for HyperCard didn't include a scripting language, an idea that was suggested by Dan Winkler during the development cycle. I found this program long ago on a bbs. It was called MacCard or flashcard or something like that. Buried in one of my 3000

Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And more trivia: Atkinson's original vision for HyperCard didn't include a scripting language, an idea that was suggested by Dan Winkler during the development cycle. I found this program long ago on a bbs. It was called MacCard or flashcard or something like that. Buried

Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread xbury . cs
Richard wrote: On 20.05.2005 08:37:01 use-revolution-bounces wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And more trivia: Got any? :) None that I can think off... ;) cheers Xav - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications

Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread Kat
Chipp Walters wrote: Someone was going to a lot of trouble to make sure 'multimedia' was the next big thing. At least one of those someones was (gasp, cough, choke) Bill Gates. Microsoft sponsored a really good tradeshow in San Jose called InterMedia that I attended in 1993. It was

Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Kat wrote: My theory all along has been that Microsoft liked CD-ROM so much because it allowed them to deliver bloatware but then I'm just prejudiced. PRE-judiced was something we used to do. But now that more than two dozen governments around the world have found Microsoft guilty of the

OT about size... Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread Andre Garzia
When I finish an app, I like to spend some time re-coding the routines singing the followoing mantra: can I do it in fewer lines?. I am very proud of the latest incarnation of RevHTTPd, it's half the size of the first one and with more features. It's not only the sheer size of the binary. Its

Re: OT about size... Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Andre- Friday, May 20, 2005, 9:32:49 AM, you wrote: AG When I finish an app, I like to spend some time re-coding the routines AG singing the followoing mantra: can I do it in fewer lines?. I am very I'm constantly reengineering my old code, too, but I find that it generally *grows* in size as I

RE: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread MisterX
for ;) cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilhelm Sanke Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 17:56 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk? One

Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard- Friday, May 20, 2005, 9:22:41 AM, you wrote: RG That's another nice thing about being part of the over-40 crowd: when RG you go around the block that many times you know that, thanks to Moore's RG Law and market dynamics, computing is one of the few industries that RG consistently

Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Friday, May 20, 2005, 9:22:41 AM, you wrote: RG That's another nice thing about being part of the over-40 crowd: when RG you go around the block that many times you know that, thanks to Moore's RG Law and market dynamics, computing is one of the few industries that RG

Re: OT about size... Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread Dar Scott
On May 20, 2005, at 10:57 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: AG When I finish an app, I like to spend some time re-coding the routines AG singing the followoing mantra: can I do it in fewer lines?. I am very I'm constantly reengineering my old code, too, but I find that it generally *grows* in size as I go

Re: OT about size... Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread Chipp Walters
Mark Wieder wrote: I'm constantly reengineering my old code, too, but I find that it generally *grows* in size as I go back and add more comments. Trying to do things in fewer lines can also sometimes lead to emphasizing cuteness over readability. Amen, Mark. I also find I end up adding more error

Re: OT about size... Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread Chipp Walters
OOPS, sorry, I meant to say: My coding style favors readability and debugability over compactness and speed, except where speed is a real issue, (as in imagedata functions), then I'm all for it! -Chipp Chipp Walters wrote: Mark Wieder wrote: I'm constantly reengineering my old code, too, but I

Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard- Friday, May 20, 2005, 11:07:43 AM, you wrote: RG Less useful but no less entertaining: RG http://despair.com/proc24x30pri.html Thanks for that one. I liked the QT movie, too. http://despair.com/happyproduct.html -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-20 Thread Mikey
I have many Despair.com posters and postcards. My favorites are the picture of a group of skydivers in formation with the caption: Meetings None of us is as dumb as all of us, the penguin with the caption: Limitations: Until you spread your wings, you have no idea how far you can walk. Dude is

RE: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-19 Thread Lynch, Jonathan
to use Revolution Subject: Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk? As one of the Gray-Hairs around these parts -- and someone who has authored books on both xTalks and Smalltalk as well as coding far too many lines of both to be considered still sane -- I thought

Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-19 Thread Dan Shafer
Bill Atkinson, last I heard, was no longer doing tech stuff at all but was focused on his rather considerable skills as a photographer. (He's really good. Check out http://www.billatkinson.com) Dan Winkler did some additional technology work for a few years. He was involved in a project

Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-19 Thread Richard Gaskin
Lynch, Jonathan wrote: What became of the creators of Hypercard? Were they involved in any of Hypercard's descendants? Not directly, but there was a moment of widsom in which Silicon Beach's Charlie Jackson (SB produced SuperCard) proposed to Apple's Jean Louis Gassee that they establish a

Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-19 Thread Dan Shafer
Richard. What a great trip down memory lane. Thanks. Dan On May 19, 2005, at 8:45 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Lynch, Jonathan wrote: What became of the creators of Hypercard? Were they involved in any of Hypercard's descendants? Not directly, but there was a moment of widsom in which Silicon

Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-19 Thread Chipp Walters
Richard Gaskin wrote: One last bit of trivia: Today the world's most popular multimedia authoring system is Flash, and while we know it as a Macromedia product it was actually an acquisition. Who originally produced it? FutureSplash, a company owned by Charlie Jackson. And in fact, FutureSplash

Re: [OT] Is there a relationship between Xtalk languages andsmalltalk?

2005-05-19 Thread Dan Shafer
Heard back from Dan Winkler. He has looked at Rev and found it quite positive. He also reminded me of the company I couldn't think of before. It's General Magic. A number of the HyperHeads were part of that aborted, ahead-of-its-time effort. He says the Danger HipTop is a great