Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-05 Thread Shari
I'll take your 8.6 and raise you 7.6.1. Not that that is much value in relation to this thread as Rev don't run that far back. Anyone need some HyperCard stacks tested ;-) Thank you for the belly laugh! Made my day! I do remember 7.5 and have a whole passel of Hypercard stacks that

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread J. Landman Gay
Kay C Lan wrote: On 6/5/07, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have my original SE with two -- count 'em, two -- floppy drives for that. It's running system 6-something, and it still works. :) Well inline with the other thread about schools/people not upgrading when they can. It wou

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Kay C Lan
On 6/5/07, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have my original SE with two -- count 'em, two -- floppy drives for that. It's running system 6-something, and it still works. :) Well inline with the other thread about schools/people not upgrading when they can. It would appear your SE

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread J. Landman Gay
Kay C Lan wrote: On 6/5/07, Shari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can go all the way back to OS 8.6 for testing :-) I'll take your 8.6 and raise you 7.6.1. Not that that is much value in relation to this thread as Rev don't run that far back. Anyone need some HyperCard stacks tested ;-) I

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Kay C Lan
On 6/5/07, Shari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can go all the way back to OS 8.6 for testing :-) I'll take your 8.6 and raise you 7.6.1. Not that that is much value in relation to this thread as Rev don't run that far back. Anyone need some HyperCard stacks tested ;-) __

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Shari
I can go all the way back to OS 8.6 for testing :-) Actually, I skipped from 8.6 to 10.2.8. Never even saw OS 9. The first OSX's that Apple sold included OS 9 on the CD. But if you waited if you didn't jump on the OSX bandwagon fast enough you didn't get OS 9 bundled. I wasn't abou

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Peter T. Evensen
I thought altBrowser was never supported on 10.2.8, only on 10.3 and later. Microsoft did change things with the Speech API. Remember how SAPI 4 and SAPI 5 weren't compatible? You had to pick which DLL you ran for Rev. Chipp Walters wrote: On 6/4/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Just not a perfect world, Chipp. Should we consider going back to the days of the Monroe Doctrine? Probably not, but it is sure tempting. Even one on one relationships are dangerously unpredictable these days; much less country to country. Sigh! Joe Wilkins On Jun 4, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Chi

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Chipp Walters
On 6/4/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: never believing in my worst of dreams that there would be significant differences between the various OSX releases. Was I ever dumb! Yep. One of the biggest hassles we had with altBrowser on Mac was how to keep it working on older OSX

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Jeff Reynolds
Jacqueline, Thanks for pushing this up, its a nasty one for me. i really would rather not have three apps for the mac with an os9, ox 10.1-2 and a 10.3-4. this would just confuse folks. really want to have and intel ub since education stuff stick around and i expect by 10.6 intels will no

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Jeff Reynolds
You got it... basically what you have to deal with are these roadblocks to upgrades - cost of OS upgrade - having someone who will install it (k-6 teachers tend not to like to poke at their computers and many schools have no tech support or one guy in the whole district to do it all, il

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread J. Landman Gay
Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi Jacque, Any chance this went to the top of their list? Should have a number of people with baited breath! I'm sure it will be fixed, they know about it now. But someone with an OS 10.2 machine should probably take a look when the next release comes out. Won't be

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Hi Jacque, Any chance this went to the top of their list? Should have a number of people with baited breath! Your connections are great. Thanks. Joe Wilkins On Jun 4, 2007, at 9:44 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Jeff Reynolds wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] we just sent our cd out for replication, im

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Chris Sheffield
Great news. Thanks, Jacque (and Rev Team) :-) On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:44 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Jeff Reynolds wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] we just sent our cd out for replication, im trying to put a stop on it if possible. 10.1 and 10.2 ARE STILL ALIVE AND WELL IN THE SCHOOLS! Urgh. I hope y

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread J. Landman Gay
Jeff Reynolds wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] we just sent our cd out for replication, im trying to put a stop on it if possible. 10.1 and 10.2 ARE STILL ALIVE AND WELL IN THE SCHOOLS! Urgh. I hope you can stop it in time, really sorry to hear that. I just asked the team about the problem, and they

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Chris Sheffield
For anyone who's interested, I did create bug #5109 for this issue. Feel free to add your votes. On Jun 3, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Shari wrote: I've noticed a lot of software that requires 10.3.9 lately, I get the feeling that was pretty much the cutoff these days. By the way, thank you, Chris,

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Jeff, My condolences. Way back when I was beta testing my own software, I kept several Macs "frozen in time" with old OSs. Unfortunately, this kind of stopped with the advent of OSX; never believing in my worst of dreams that there would be significant differences between the various OSX

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Kay C Lan
On 6/4/07, Jeff Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes you will say this is not right, but its what you just have to deal with when working in the education market, like it or not. just a fact of life you cant change. We have found that a lot of home computers that have been handed down to the

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-03 Thread Jeff Reynolds
[EMAIL PROTECTED] we just sent our cd out for replication, im trying to put a stop on it if possible. 10.1 and 10.2 ARE STILL ALIVE AND WELL IN THE SCHOOLS! This is a big problem for our product. We tested 10.3, and 10.4 on ppc and intel, but not 10.2 on ppc. I can still create a 10.1-10.2

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-03 Thread Bill Vlahos
You can upgrade any version of Mac OS to the current one (10.4) on any computer that can run 10.4 by simply buying the current package and installing it. This is complicated only in a couple of ways: 1. Not all Macs can run 10.4. Essentially any Mac (except the original iMac) that has bui

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-03 Thread Shari
I've noticed a lot of software that requires 10.3.9 lately, I get the feeling that was pretty much the cutoff these days. By the way, thank you, Chris, for verifying that I wasn't crazy. Much appreciated :-) A little snippet in the help docs would have been very welcome, and saved me much ag

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-03 Thread Shari
Seems to, at least here. I'm running 10.3.9 on my Powerbook and 10.4 on my desktop Mac. I haven't had any trouble with any stacks in 10.3.9, and I was running 10.3.7 for a very long time with Rev before that. I never had Rev 2.8.1 on my 10.3.7 machine but I know 2.7.4 worked okay. I've notice

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-02 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Shari, I agree, but I had a Mac Mini a year or so ago and Apple continued to provide free updates for it all the way to - I think it was 2.9, but may have been 2.8. because I stopped using it about a month ago when I got my new MacIntel. I kind of wondered myself at the length of the automa

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-02 Thread J. Landman Gay
Sarah Reichelt wrote: On 6/3/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now this is something I think we need to worry about less than having a "Classic" potential; since most people who have OSX are going to be moving up to the latest due to the ease with which Apple makes updating the O

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-02 Thread Shari
Now this is something I think we need to worry about less than having a "Classic" potential; since most people who have OSX are going to be moving up to the latest due to the ease with which Apple makes updating the OS. Or am I in the minority when I get automatic updates from Apple on just ab

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-02 Thread Sarah Reichelt
On 6/3/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now this is something I think we need to worry about less than having a "Classic" potential; since most people who have OSX are going to be moving up to the latest due to the ease with which Apple makes updating the OS. Or am I in the minor

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-02 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Now this is something I think we need to worry about less than having a "Classic" potential; since most people who have OSX are going to be moving up to the latest due to the ease with which Apple makes updating the OS. Or am I in the minority when I get automatic updates from Apple on jus

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-02 Thread Mark Wieder
Jacque- Friday, June 1, 2007, 12:06:47 PM, you wrote: > Since you aren't using the Rev builder, you might want to take this over > to the MC list. There are some special requirements for building > standalones with the 2.7 + engine, and it may be that you haven't > created a special standalone

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-01 Thread Chris Sheffield
One more update. Turns out a PPC standalone built with 2.8.1 does not work either, which makes the issue even more serious. :-( On Jun 1, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: Confirmed! UBs built with 2.8.1 *do not* run under OS X 10.2.x. But one built with 2.8.0 does. At least in my tes

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-01 Thread Chris Sheffield
Confirmed! UBs built with 2.8.1 *do not* run under OS X 10.2.x. But one built with 2.8.0 does. At least in my testing. What changed? If no one else has, I'll submit this as a bug. It's a nasty one. Chris On Jun 1, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: I'm wondering if there's a problem

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-01 Thread Chris Sheffield
I'm wondering if there's a problem with the 2.8.1 engine. Other non- Rev universal apps I have (installers, for example) run perfectly fine under 10.2.x. And I'm almost positive that standalones built with previous Rev engines have run fine for me. I'm going to double check this though. Ch

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-01 Thread J. Landman Gay
Shari wrote: Just in case anybody else searches the archives with the same questions, here is the latest update on creating standalones for Mac OSX prior to 10.3.x. I couldn't do it with MC 2.8.1 on my Macintel, even using the PPC engine. I couldn't do it with MC 2.8.1 on the G-3, even u

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-01 Thread Shari
Just in case anybody else searches the archives with the same questions, here is the latest update on creating standalones for Mac OSX prior to 10.3.x. I couldn't do it with MC 2.8.1 on my Macintel, even using the PPC engine. I couldn't do it with MC 2.8.1 on the G-3, even using the PPC

Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-01 Thread J. Landman Gay
Shari wrote: After a couple of hours of reading old archived posts dating back a couple years I came across one tiny tidbit that may explain why the UB standalone fails to launch on my G-3. Can anyone verify this? Nowhere in the docs of either Revolution or Metacard could I find a mention of

Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-01 Thread Shari
After a couple of hours of reading old archived posts dating back a couple years I came across one tiny tidbit that may explain why the UB standalone fails to launch on my G-3. Can anyone verify this? Nowhere in the docs of either Revolution or Metacard could I find a mention of this. I did