RunRev and music

2010-01-09 Thread René Micout
Hello everybody, I have a project : make a bridge between RunRev and Macintosh Core Audio/Core Midi with AppleScript and if successful do benefit the community... I am searching books, tutorials or “something” (in english or in french [is it possible to dream ?]) witch talk about working

Re: RunRev and music

2010-01-09 Thread Alejandro Tejada
://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/rMusic11.hqx http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/smf2Pmd.hqx By the way, Does your work allows automatic creation of music in different styles like the software Band in a Box or just in one style like Mozart's Musical Dice Game for Composing a Minuet? http

Re: RunRev and music

2010-01-09 Thread René Micout
to play with, it is like a game for a child (my small-son — yes I am a grand-father ! — play with it and he is 4) but it is powerful and old many possibilities. For my own (pour ma part) my musical projects turn around contemporary music like american minimalists (John Cage, Morton Felman, Terry

Exagofon and RunRev on Create Digital Music

2010-01-07 Thread René Micout
There is an article about Exagofon with mention of RunRev at : http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/01/07/put-a-hex-on-you-new-game-crazy-music-sequencer-with-hexagons/#more-8958 Bons souvenirs de Paris René___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution

Re: Music ????

2009-10-21 Thread Kenji Kojima
this line after line 131 if chartonum(char -1 of evList) is 10 then delete char -1 of evList Playing UDI's sample musics do not use function notes2MidiFile, but when you make your music you may have a problem. And sometimes Windows QuickTime plays a big noise when a midi file starts, put

Re: Music ????

2009-10-21 Thread Kenji Kojima
this line after line 131 if chartonum(char -1 of evList) is 10 then delete char -1 of evList Playing UDI's sample musics do not use function notes2MidiFile, but when you make your music you may have a problem. And sometimes Windows QuickTime plays a big noise when a midi file starts, put

Re: Music ????

2009-10-21 Thread capellan
Hi Kenji, Kenji Kojima wrote: [snip] Yes, UDI's makeSMFLib works on MacOS, Windows and browser. Yes, it works great inside a browser. Hopefully, UDI will complete the code for importing and converting Midi files. I found the stack Random Music Player specially interesting and would like

Re: Music ????

2009-10-20 Thread Thierry
Le 19 oct. 09 à 20:55, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Yup, stirring the soup again: http://tilestack.com/stacks/Piano/ _ Hi Sir, You already can do that in Rev with MaestroJunior. Use the Maestro_Header() function and then play any note with Maestro( aNote ).

Re: Music ????

2009-10-20 Thread René Micout
Hello, Yes there is a BIG latence with Tilestack, too big to play piano... Bons souvenirs de Paris René Le 20 oct. 09 à 08:28, Thierry a écrit : Le 19 oct. 09 à 20:55, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Yup, stirring the soup again: http://tilestack.com/stacks/Piano/

Re: Music ????

2009-10-20 Thread Judy Perry
Indeed, I have a stack with an onscreen keyboard for when Ms. Betancourt's external worked... Judy On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Thierry wrote: Hi Sir, You already can do that in Rev with MaestroJunior. Use the Maestro_Header() function and then play any note with Maestro( aNote ). Drawing an

Re: Music ????

2009-10-20 Thread Thierry
Le 20 oct. 09 à 21:07, Judy Perry a écrit : Indeed, I have a stack with an onscreen keyboard for when Ms. Betancourt's external worked... Judy Hello Judy, a pointer to this stack ? sharable ? Thanks, Thierry On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Thierry wrote: Hi Sir, You already can do that in Rev

Re: Music ????

2009-10-20 Thread J. Landman Gay
Thierry wrote: Le 20 oct. 09 à 21:07, Judy Perry a écrit : Indeed, I have a stack with an onscreen keyboard for when Ms. Betancourt's external worked... Judy Hello Judy, a pointer to this stack ? sharable ? http://www.hyperactivesw.com/resources_shakobox.html. I host the stack on my

Re: Music ????

2009-10-20 Thread Thierry
Le 20 oct. 09 à 21:53, J. Landman Gay a écrit : Thierry wrote: Le 20 oct. 09 à 21:07, Judy Perry a écrit : Indeed, I have a stack with an onscreen keyboard for when Ms. Betancourt's external worked... Judy Hello Judy, a pointer to this stack ? sharable ?

Re: Music ????

2009-10-20 Thread Judy Perry
Thierry, I just emailed you the stack. Jacquie, I don't know why I thought that it was broken but indeed it is not! Which means that my stack should still work :-) Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit

Re: Music ????

2009-10-20 Thread capellan
Hi All, Remember that UDI published many stacks to play Midi music using Quicktime. And there is a Keyboard, too: http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/tool.html Mac Users should not have problems to decode all Rev and Zip files encoded as HQX, but Windows Users without WinZip or Stuffit Expander

Music ????

2009-10-19 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Yup, stirring the soup again: http://tilestack.com/stacks/Piano/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: Music Notes, New Instruments Sound Channel Preview

2009-09-05 Thread René Micout
Hello, When I enter on page Test page for PlayMidi, I read : There was an error loading the revlet - Stack not found. What append ? Bons souvenirs de Paris René Le 5 sept. 09 à 02:41, Kenji Kojima a écrit : Hi, I tried to make a PlayMIDI revlet. http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/

Re: Music Notes, New Instruments Sound Channel Preview

2009-09-05 Thread René Micout
dramaticly slow... When I put RevWeb Player and RevMedia 4.0 in the trash and I loaded my application with RunRev 3.5 everything is back to normal... RevMedia 4.0 is inusable for me (music application) !! Is Revolution Studio 4.0 slower than 3.5 ? Macintosh PPC MacOs Tiger Thank you Bons souvenirs de

Re: Music Notes, New Instruments Sound Channel Preview

2009-09-04 Thread Kenji Kojima
Hi, I tried to make a PlayMIDI revlet. http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/ It's based on HyperTalk's PLAY command http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/pmd.html I can play it on MacOS. I have two problems. 1) I cannot show a QuickTime controller on MacOS and Windows. only a

Re: Music Notes, New Instruments Sound Channel Preview

2009-09-04 Thread stephen barncard
and quicktime is installed in your Windows system? - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2009/9/4 Kenji Kojima in...@kenjikojima.com Hi, I tried to make a PlayMIDI revlet. http://www.kenjikojima.com/revlet/PlayMIDI/ It's based on

Re: Music Notes, New Instruments Sound Channel Preview

2009-09-04 Thread Kenji Kojima
On Sep 4, 2009, at 08:44 PM, stephen barncard wrote: and quicktime is installed in your Windows system? Oh! I reinstalled a fresh Windows XP last month. I think that was the reason. Thanks, -- Kenji Kojima http://www.kenjikojima.com/ Hi, I tried to make a PlayMIDI revlet.

Re: Music Notes, New Instruments Sound Channel Preview

2009-09-04 Thread Kenji Kojima
stephen, I installed QuickTime7 on my Windows. I could play a MIDI sound and a controller appeared. I installed QuickTime 10 on my Mac. The controller problem might be QT version. -- Kenji Kojima http://www.kenjikojima.com/ On Sep 4, 2009, at 08:44 PM, stephen barncard wrote: and

Music Notes, New Instruments Sound Channel Preview

2009-09-03 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Ouch! http://tilestack.com/blog/Music_Notes,_New_Instruments__Sound_Channel_Preview ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: Music Notes, New Instruments Sound Channel Preview

2009-09-03 Thread René Micout
Hello Richmond, I I want the same thing in RunRev with the capability playing Midi instrument implemented into QuickTime synthesizer... I think it is not very difficult for Revolution to make that... But what opportunities available to us !! Bons souvenirs de Paris René Le 3 sept. 09 à 16:09,

Re: Music Notes, New Instruments Sound Channel Preview

2009-09-03 Thread Judy Perry
Woo-hoo Judy On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Ouch! http://tilestack.com/blog/Music_Notes,_New_Instruments__Sound_Channel_Preview ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url

Re: Music Notes, New Instruments Sound Channel Preview

2009-09-03 Thread Judy Perry
Ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto Judy On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, René Micout wrote: Hello Richmond, I I want the same thing in RunRev with the capability playing Midi instrument implemented into QuickTime synthesizer... I think it is not very difficult for Revolution to make

Re: Music Notes, New Instruments Sound Channel Preview

2009-09-03 Thread Ian Wood
Neat, and looks quite powerful. Trivia quiz time: Their codename for the next release is 'Trantor' - a free prize of nothing to the first person to say which SF book series features the planet Trantor... Ian On 3 Sep 2009, at 15:09, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Music Notes, New Instruments Sound Channel Preview

2009-09-03 Thread Sarah Reichelt
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Ian Woodrevl...@azurevision.co.uk wrote: Neat, and looks quite powerful. Trivia quiz time: Their codename for the next release is 'Trantor' - a free prize of nothing to the first person to say which SF book series features the planet Trantor... OK, I'll fall

Re: Music Notes, New Instruments Sound Channel Preview

2009-09-03 Thread Tereza Snyder
On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: OK, I'll fall into the nerd trap :-) Isaac Asimov's Foundation series Actually, Trantor made its first appearance in Asimov's Pebble in the Sky which predated the Foundation series. Joining Sarah in the nerd trap. t -- Tereza

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolutio

2009-03-19 Thread René Micout
What have you got against music ? René from Paris Without music the life will be an error Friedrich Nietzsche Le 18 mars 09 à 23:27, Jim Lambert a écrit : My 2 cents. Personally I'd discourage the Rev team from spending time and resources on developing any native music making function

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolutio

2009-03-19 Thread Luis
As in investing in a hosting service...? Cheers, Luis. On 19 Mar 2009, at 00:41, Kay C Lan wrote: Amen On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Jim Lambert j...@netrin.com wrote: My 2 cents. Personally I'd discourage the Rev team from spending time and resources on developing any native music

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-19 Thread René Micout
Le 18 mars 09 à 23:01, Richard Gaskin a écrit : Or does truly cross-platform mean something else? :) I don't really understand cross-platform concept in Rev ?! What about sheet and drawer witch are Macintosh only stuff. Why other Macintosh specificities (is it english ?) are not

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-19 Thread Judy Perry
René, Richard is trying to demonstrate to Richmond that Director isn't really cross-plat. And I agree FWIW... for what little it is worth ;-) Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:42 AM, René Micout rmic...@online.fr wrote: Le 18 mars 09 à 23:01, Richard Gaskin a écrit :

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolutio

2009-03-19 Thread Judy Perry
I don't thinks she has anything against music, just thinks this implementation is stupid. Just my interpretation, not meant to be a slam against anyone... Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:17 AM, René Micout rmic...@online.fr wrote: What have you got against music

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-19 Thread Richmond Mathewson
: There are more pressing tasks for them to tackle and the music making can be accomplished by the rev developer leveraging what multimedia capabilities are present outside of, yet accessible to, Rev but taking that to mean 'an all-singing-all-dancing system' like that in Director; and continuing to state

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-19 Thread stephen barncard
It's hard to conceive of Rev trying to reCreate what took Apple almost 20 years to develop and it being very good. Quicktime is still the best media handler ever created. I still remember those early developer CDs and the little postage-stamp movies that strained the machines, but were amazing.

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Judy Perry
I certainly wasn't offended. As for the age of the young children, well, mine are nearly 8. They desperately want a cell phone but aren't getting one anytime soon. ;-) Yes, they *would* notice latency. As you say, Kay, in the old days when we all weren't quite so long in tooth, we could all

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread René Micout
Judy, In a previous message (no response at this time) I write : about rewriting PlayCommandAgent from RealBasic to Transcript (an idea... ?), and it is not necessary MIDI (but, I think, the solution need CoreAudio (QuickTime ?) (for Mac) and equivalent for Windows and Linux : ... For

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread geradamas
main problem is to stop kids clicking away as if they have some sort of motor disorder while either a program or a media file loads; these children WANT IT NOW, or, given the chance, even sooner. So LATENCY of all forms is my bugbear. A piece of music that takes 10 seconds to load will not get

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Luis
Hiya, If there isn't going to be an 'internal' version forthcoming from RunRev anytime soon, why not create a user group bounty system for an external? - Anyone up to the task would propose their 'bounty' OR - A community set bounty which developers would then vie for These could be

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Luis
Hiya, On which side?... :) Cheers, Luis. On 18 Mar 2009, at 12:00, René Micout wrote: Hello Luis, I am interessed by this project René from Paris Le 18 mars 09 à 12:36, Luis a écrit : Hiya, If there isn't going to be an 'internal' version forthcoming from RunRev anytime soon, why

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread René Micout
Hello Luis, I am interessed by this project René from Paris Le 18 mars 09 à 12:36, Luis a écrit : Hiya, If there isn't going to be an 'internal' version forthcoming from RunRev anytime soon, why not create a user group bounty system for an external? - Anyone up to the task would propose

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread René Micout
Luis, I am an amateur musician, a medium rev developper. I make now several virtual musical instruments (exagofon, yasarofon, rizomofon) on Macintosh... I offer all the help I can provide in relation to the requirements and my skills. But I have a disadvantage : english is not my maternal

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Beat Cornaz
On 17 th ,march Kurt wrote : But we still need to create an actual file to be referenced by the QT player, right? We cannot, for instance: set the filename of player MyPlayer to the myMidiData of player MyPlayer [where myMididata is a custom property of the player MyPlayer in

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Beat Cornaz
on march 18th Louis wrote : if there isn't going to be an 'internal' version forthcoming from RunRev anytime soon, why not create a user group bounty system for an external? - Anyone up to the task would propose their 'bounty' OR - A community set bounty which developers would then vie for

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Kay C Lan
bugbear. A piece of music that takes 10 seconds to load will not get heard. I believe Colin Holgate's instigated MIDI experiment on Jacques slower machine using a field (the slow method) as storage revealed a latency of 8.3 MICROseconds. I understood the result indicated that if that was too slow

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Colin Holgate
On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: I believe Colin Holgate's instigated MIDI experiment on Jacques slower machine using a field (the slow method) as storage revealed a latency of 8.3 MICROseconds. That was just the reading the data from the field. The bigger slowdown, which

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread René Micout
Hello, From my past message : ... Pmd and MIDI Builder have a common disadvantage : we cannot “Play live“ because of principle : create a MIDI file witch is play by QT player, resulting in a latency of at least 1/5 seconds at the start of the file... Is 1/5 seconds (200 milliseconds) is

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Colin Holgate
On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:52 AM, René Micout wrote: Is 1/5 seconds (200 milliseconds) is too long ? It might be, depends on the application. For setting some music going, that would be quite responsive. For someone trying to play a tune, where you might be playing five notes per second, you

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread René Micout
Yes, I agree, to play live is too long... Le 18 mars 09 à 15:57, Colin Holgate a écrit : On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:52 AM, René Micout wrote: Is 1/5 seconds (200 milliseconds) is too long ? It might be, depends on the application. For setting some music going, that would be quite responsive

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Richmond Mathewson
I have just uploaded HCDOORBELL.rev to revOnline; find it under 'Richmond' This stack contains 3 notes craftily sucked out of a HyperCard stack and converted into AIFF files. By altering the WAIT period between notes one can get different effects :) Download it, Play with it, Don't say I

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Francis Nugent Dixon
Hi from Paris, in the old days when we all weren't quite so long in tooth, we could all roll our own. In HC, I could roll my own tunes without having to know the midi spec and with only knowing how to read sheetmusic. When I wasn't quite so long in the tooth, we used to make our own music

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread stephen barncard
From the feeling I get about MIDI data rates, I don't think it's requirements are any more demanding that the very successful libURL, which is Rev code, so a C++ external is probably overkill. Some work with serial ports (and USB midi) is needed. It's not trivial, but somebody just needs to get

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Luis
Hiya, I think 'limiting' it to MIDI, although handy in itself, would be no good when you want to deal with other types of music files/mixing and _having_ to use QT for that. Music/sounds are more than just MIDI: mp3, aiff, wav, flac, ogg, etc. Cheers, Luis. On 18 Mar 2009, at 16:15

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Judy Perry
...@yahoo.com wrote: My main problem is to stop kids clicking away as if they have some sort of motor disorder while either a program or a media file loads; these children WANT IT NOW, or, given the chance, even sooner. So LATENCY of all forms is my bugbear. A piece of music that takes 10

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Judy Perry
hehehe. Regrettably, I need Rev to make my music. Judy http://revined.bllogspot.com On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon effe...@wanadoo.frwrote: Hi from Paris, in the old days when we all weren't quite so long in tooth, we could all roll our own. In HC, I could roll my

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Colin Holgate
On Mar 18, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Judy Perry wrote: But it relies on QT. That could be a deal killer in a non-Mac instance. And it requires midi. I don't read or write midi. Do you? Do most? Something like 64% of machines have QuickTime

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Judy Perry
Well, since I have Macs, for me, personally, it isn't an issue, but I've heard from others on this list that they'd really like to be free of QT dependency. Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Colin Holgate co...@rcn.com wrote: On Mar 18, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Judy

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Colin Holgate wrote: Something like 64% of machines have QuickTime You don't say . . . However: 1. Runtime Revolution claims to be truly cross-platform. 2. Lists of system requirements that may require end-users to install other bits and bobs are a guaranteed turn-off. 3. I have a 'funny

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread J. Landman Gay
Richmond Mathewson wrote: For RunRev to claim to be truly cross-platform it needs to become independent of external sources of help, such as Quicktime. It is. If QuickTime is not installed on Windows, Rev uses WMP instead. On Linux it uses mplayer. Mac of course requires QT but that's not an

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Richmond Mathewson
J. Landman Gay wrote: It is. If QuickTime is not installed on Windows, Rev uses WMP instead. On Linux it uses mplayer. Mac of course requires QT but that's not an issue. Recent court cases against Microsoft seem to suggest that that company may be forced to sell versions of it Operating system

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Richmond Mathewson
J. Landman Gay wrote: I'm curious how you'd play back video without a video component installed. I have a funny feeling that Adobe/MacroMedia Director manages it by itself. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread J. Landman Gay
Richmond Mathewson wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: I'm curious how you'd play back video without a video component installed. I have a funny feeling that Adobe/MacroMedia Director manages it by itself. You want RR to write an independent, cross-platform, full-featured video and audio player?

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Brian Yennie
That's a bit like saying Quicktime manages by itself. While Flash is more of a RAD tool these days, it is at its heart a media playback engine. Technically, you are correct, but Flash is more the exception than the rule. Normally video is something provided by the OS. With that said, you

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Judy Perry
That's good to know. I probably knew that once upon a time @;-P Thanks Jacque! Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:44 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: For RunRev to claim to be truly cross-platform it needs to become

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Beat Cornaz
Judy wrote : But it relies on QT. That could be a deal killer in a non-Mac instance. And it requires midi. I don't read or write midi. Do you? Do most? I don't read midi fluently either :-) But with a function that does the job it is easy. If you need a function that translate times

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Richmond Mathewson
J. Landman Gay wrote: You want RR to write an independent, cross-platform, full-featured video and audio player? You'd be happy to pay for one, right? Gosh, must have touched a nerve there. Sorry! Adobe Director costs $999 (whether that is only single platform or for both Mac and Win is not

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Judy Perry
Beat, Yes, I'd love to see such a thing! Might well tide me over until/if Rev ever implements such a beast natively :-D Now we just need sound channels... Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Beat Cornaz b.cor...@gmx.net wrote: Judy wrote : But it relies on

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread J. Landman Gay
Richmond Mathewson wrote: Runtime Revolution is cross-platform insofar as it can lever components that are often present on target platforms; it is not 'platforn neutral' in that it still depends on those components being there, when they are not a given. I'm curious how you'd play back video

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Judy Perry
U, I don't think the $999 Director is for both plats; educationally it can be had for less. You might find Director better and more truly cross-plat, but I'm tentatively certain it doesn't do unix, doesn't do OS-native controls, I was chewed out by my instructor for my thinking it handled

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Beat Cornaz
Louis wrote : I think 'limiting' it to MIDI, although handy in itself, would be no good when you want to deal with other types of music files/mixing and _having_ to use QT for that. Music/sounds are more than just MIDI: mp3, aiff, wav, flac, ogg, etc. I agree. Limiting to midi would

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond Mathewson wrote: Adobe Director costs $999 (whether that is only single platform or for both Mac and Win is not clear) Runtime Revolution costs $499 about half the 'hit'. No, I don't; but some people on this use-list seem unaware of what it takes both in terms of money and work to

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Terry Judd
On 19/03/09 9:01 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Exercise for the reader: write a script editor in Director (heck, try writing any good text editor in Director). Well you may not get far, but at least your dog of an effort will have paragraph level formatting. Terry...

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolutio

2009-03-18 Thread Jim Lambert
My 2 cents. Personally I'd discourage the Rev team from spending time and resources on developing any native music making function, especially one as primitive as that in HyperCard. There are more pressing tasks for them to tackle and the music making can be accomplished by the rev

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Kurt Kaufman
But i think that midi is a totally different sort of animal than sounds. Midi are just instructions and the sounds you'll be hearing are dependend on the soundmodule, syntheziser, midi instrument or whatever thing that will receive your midi commands. As sounds, well everybody knows what sounds

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolutio

2009-03-18 Thread Kay C Lan
Amen On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Jim Lambert j...@netrin.com wrote: My 2 cents. Personally I'd discourage the Rev team from spending time and resources on developing any native music making function, especially one as primitive as that in HyperCard. There are more pressing tasks

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-18 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Kurt Kaufman kkauf...@snet.net wrote: You could compare vector (draw) graphics to MIDI, and bitmapped (paint) graphics to sound. Nnnoo! Now some nostalgic is going to want to know why the glory days of B/W PICT images in HC aren't cross platform supported

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Kay C Lan
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Judy Perry katheryn.swynf...@gmail.comwrote: Ummm, geee... thanks Richmond. Now we're never going to get scripted music sound channels, and when somebody asks why, these links will be reposted as state's, er, company's evidence. ;-) I'd hate to say

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Richmond Mathewson
have a cheap Chinese doorbell replete with seven nauseating jingles I can listen to to my heart's content). However, on my computer I have a Hypercard stack called Folk Tunes, it is referenced here: http://www.cs.sfu.ca/CC/SW/HyperCard/TeachHC/reference/hcref.html under Music (although

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond Mathewson wrote: Embedding music files in RunRev / MetaCard stacks comes at quite a hit, both in terms of file size, and RAM requirements; the HyperCard method would be considerably 'cheaper' in both of these respects. MIDI, with QuickTime in a player object. -- Richard Gaskin

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Klaus Major
Hi Richard, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Embedding music files in RunRev / MetaCard stacks comes at quite a hit, both in terms of file size, and RAM requirements; the HyperCard method would be considerably 'cheaper' in both of these respects. MIDI, with QuickTime in a player object. Yep

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Colin Holgate
On Mar 17, 2009, at 9:45 AM, Klaus Major wrote: MIDI, with QuickTime in a player object. Yep! Alas, if we just could use internal/imported files within a player object... Well, I wasn't fully sure this would work, but it seems to (the first two lines just clear out the previous midi

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Klaus Major
Hi Colin, On Mar 17, 2009, at 9:45 AM, Klaus Major wrote: MIDI, with QuickTime in a player object. Yep! Alas, if we just could use internal/imported files within a player object... Well, I wasn't fully sure this would work, but it seems to (the first two lines just clear out the

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Colin Holgate
On Mar 17, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Klaus Major wrote: This VERY old trick does not count as playing internal files in a player object! Sorry you're out :-D I don't feel bad, having worked it all out for myself, without knowing that it was an old trick! But what counts as an internal file? If

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Klaus Major
Hi Colin, On Mar 17, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Klaus Major wrote: This VERY old trick does not count as playing internal files in a player object! Sorry you're out :-D I don't feel bad, having worked it all out for myself, without knowing that it was an old trick! Sorry, did not mean to

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Colin Holgate
On Mar 17, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Klaus Major wrote: If I can get those to play, would that count as a new trick? YOU BET! :-D The those I was referring to would have been external files that are in the standalone bundle. I'm not sure how a file player can play media if you're not allowed

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Klaus Major
Hi Colin, On Mar 17, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Klaus Major wrote: If I can get those to play, would that count as a new trick? YOU BET! :-D The those I was referring to would have been external files that are in the standalone bundle. I'm not sure how a file player can play media if you're not

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Richard Gaskin
the central question is, What sorts of sounds would one want to play? While referring to HC's notation as door bell jingles may sound derisive, these days when people are accustomed to richer sound design, it's not an entirely unfair characterization to the modern ear. For music that leaves

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Richmond Mathewson
out here, they are nt as easy to control as externally referenced media files. --- The reason I would like to see the ability to manipulate sounds inside RunRev as they once were in HyperCard is that it would allow users to pump out music

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Colin Holgate
On Mar 17, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: What's the downside of playing it as a file? Latency. The MIDI file is already playing before I notice that the file dialog has gone away, so that's fairly fast. What kind of thing might you want to do that would show latency?

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Kurt Kaufman
Re: MIDI as external file... Just thinking... How about storing MIDI data as a custom property in a substack? Kurt _ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet.

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread René Micout
Hello, From my previous message (03/13/2009) Pmd and MIDI Builder have a common disadvantage : we cannot Play live because of principle : create a MIDI file witch is play by QT player, resulting in a latency of at least 1/5 seconds at the start of the file... René from Paris Le 17 mars

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Colin Holgate
On Mar 17, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote: Just thinking... How about storing MIDI data as a custom property in a substack? I don't know about storing custom properties, but whatever that is, would it have any advantage over storing the data in a field?

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Kurt Kaufman
How about storing MIDI data as a custom property in a substack? I don't know about storing custom properties, but whatever that is, would it have any advantage over storing the data in a field? From the Rev User Guide: A custom property is a property that you define. You can create as

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Colin Holgate
On Mar 17, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote: I do believe that since MIDI files contain binary data, the Rev field object is not the proper type of container. MIDI can contain any binary value, but the technique does work, the saved out MIDI file plays fine. So presumably fields cope

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Kurt Kaufman
How about storing MIDI data as a custom property in a substack? Even if this is done, you still need to copy the binary data contained in the custom property to a temporary MIDI file (invisible if desired), to which the the player's filename is assigned. According to the 3.0 User Guide,

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Kurt Kaufman
MIDI can contain any binary value, but the technique does work, the saved out MIDI file plays fine. So presumably fields cope with null values just like variables do. Is there a chance that the field-stored data might run into trouble if you, say, saved the data on a Mac and reopened it on a

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Kurt Kaufman
According to the 3.0 User Guide, audio/video QT players must always reference a discreet file. Actually, even if it's not so discreet, it still has to be discrete! :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this

Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread J. Landman Gay
Colin Holgate wrote: I don't know about storing custom properties, but whatever that is, would it have any advantage over storing the data in a field? Yes, a lot of advantages. One is speed, another is the ability to store any kind of data including binary. Once you start using custom

HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution

2009-03-17 Thread Kurt Kaufman
...Custom properties can store whole files or applications, images, arrays, SSL-encoded data, fonts, entire databases, almost anything you can think of But we still need to create an actual file to be referenced by the QT player, right? We cannot, for instance: set the filename of

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