Thank you Jerry,
In a same morning I discover Rodeo + Posterus + tRev (rediscover)
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Well, there is one advantage of using fields and not variables - your users
can see those fields chuntering through and incrementing before their very
eyes. Never underestimate the value of cognitive dissonance. Its working
hard, so it must be worthwhile. The variable is not nearly so
I tend toward the paper and pencil analogy for variables, paper and
pen for constants.
It's like the machine has a note pad, pen and pencil inside.
That's something they readily use and are familiar with.
Cheers,
Luis.
On 10 Jun 2008, at 20:15, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
Richard Gaskin
Ah... The good old days of 70 hour weeks when we were young and stupid
and we just got our first IBM S360... Jim
On 10-Jun-08, at 2:49 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
Wow - another former PL/1 programmer! I thought I was the only one
left, except at the Rev conference I learned that Robert Cailliau
Le 11 juin 08 à 10:13, Peter Alcibiades a écrit :
Well, there is one advantage of using fields and not variables -
your users
can see those fields chuntering through and incrementing before
their very
eyes. Never underestimate the value of cognitive dissonance. Its
working
hard, so it
Richmond,
We should all be so fortunate as to have such a rewarding
environment. Unlike you, I'm mired in one in which Building
Officials, aware that we can now do much more than in the
past, are requiring the most inane documentation for things
just because they can easily do so - without
at least as coping with variables goes. I usually
start with the buckets image, move onto fields
(visible buckets) and then try variables (invisible
buckets).
For kids (and anyone else, I'd imagine), I've found that it's best to use
real-world metaphors that mean something to them. Perhaps
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People are more receptive when (a) they are invested in the conversation in
some way, and (b) are spoken to with concepts that are relevant to their
current frame of reference. So the first step is trying to find a common
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Richmond Mathewson
his self-esteem
went through the roof as I demythologised programming
in 3 easy steps all thanks to Runtime Revolution!
If I remember correctly, someone saw red when Runtime offered to Teach
Programming in a Day and that Learn The
Thanks, guys... Shame on me for using fields instead of variables. I
knew that one. That is an original 1987 HC self-learning (that
reflects my PL1 days in the early 70's believe it or not) that I have
fought ever since.
Now, to rewrite and relearn... Jim
On 10-Jun-08, at 12:55 PM, Jim
Richmond Mathewson wrote:
Is there anything INTRINSICALLY wrong with using
fields instead of variables ?
This looks like whether one wants to eat one's dinner
the British way (i.e. with an upside-down fork and cut
it up as you go along) or the North-American way (cut
everything up first and
Hi Richmond,
With the speed we have today, I think I can safely say that
there is no caveat against using fields; particularly with very
simple references to them; but, when you start parsing their
contents, then you'll probably want to be doing it using vars.
IMHO,
Joe Wilkins
On Jun 10,
Wow - another former PL/1 programmer! I thought I was the only one left,
except at the Rev conference I learned that Robert Cailliau also used it
in earlier days.
Phil Davis
Jim Carwardine wrote:
Thanks, guys... Shame on me for using fields instead of variables. I
knew that one. That is
Richmond Mathewson:
Richard Gaskin wrote:
I would agree that what you teach should depend on
where the learner is on Piaget's scale of cognitive
function.
But for adult learners, I usually teach fields for
display and variables
for computation.
Variables play a central role in the art of
Richard Gaskin wrote:
If teaching with fields works, by all means keep doing it.
I think I'd start with teaching fields so they can get the concepts
down, but then move pretty quickly to using variables so they learn to
program efficiently. There's no good reason to teach poor programming
J. Landman Gay wrote:
Moving data in and out of fields is one of the slowest, most
inefficient things you can do in Rev, so it's good practice
to do as little of it as possible. While it is true that today's
computers are fast, parsing a large field by repeatedly accessing
and replacing its
Richard Gaskin wrote:
J. Landman Gay wrote:
Richard, you wrote a great explanation of this on the list some
time ago. I wonder if you still have it. Something about moving
things around in the janitor's closet every time you needed to
get the cleaning fluid or something.
Of all the
Name a dummy file čů.txt In case this does not render correctly in the QC
Center system, those first two characters in the example name are
č : small c with caron
ů : small u with ring above
What ASCII values are those two characters?
Just curious to see if that might help us come up with
I suspect that they're double-byte UTF8 characters - and for extra
tooth-grinding fun, macintosh and windows use different UTF-8 schemes
for certain characters with diacritical marksthe details escape
me, but it's ugly, of course :(
Best,
Mark
On 16 Apr 2008, at 02:00, Ken Ray
The custom property approach worked. I was trying to figure a way of manually
installing revzip.dll before calling the Rev Zip library and this worked
perfectly (in the standalone's startup handler, as suggested earlier by Jacque).
My own ignorance of Rev once again revealed. Thanks for your
On 24 Jul 2007, at 00:47, Mark E. Powell wrote:
If I copy non-stack files into the application prior to building
the standalone, how do I then extract the files from the
standalone? I figure it would something similar to how export
works for images?
How are you copying them in? If you
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- Original Message -
From: Patrick Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:37 AM
Subject: SPAM
i dont want theses mails. Stupid SPAM
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Timothy-
Thursday, June 30, 2005, 7:25:30 PM, you wrote:
TM I never knew Google had the capacity to do this sort of thing. It's
TM really troubling. I always thought an email list was equivalent to
TM private email sent from one person to a bunch of others. Apparently
TM it's not.
Listservs
Can someone tell me how my 'special' email
address I created for especially for this
list and only this list got to a spammer?
One possible method is that the use of certain
SPAM software that gets a domain name and fires
a dictionary of common names at the server. A
name like Steve would
No, no. Look at the headers in my previous message. It was CLEARLY
taken from this list. You can't come up with this address by guessing.
sqb
Can someone tell me how my 'special' email
address I created for especially for this
list and only this list got to a spammer?
One possible
No, no. Look at the headers in my previous message.
It was CLEARLY taken from this list. You can't come
up with this address by guessing.
Missed the headers last time in your message. Have
seen them now and I agree. This is odd. All I can
suggest is somebody has subscribed themselves to
Hi Stephen,
You know, you can access this list from Google:
type Stephen Barncard site:lists.runrev.com into the Google search box
and you'll see your email address 'in the clear.' All a Spammer has to
do is scrape the Google version of this list and they've got it.
best,
Chipp
Stephen
Hi Stephen
by loot.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 577642FBAB
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 29 Jun 2005
Ok that looks like a list trawler, however, this list is available archived
on google and on other open servers so it is not nessesarilly from someone
who is registered the list. However,
Can someone tell me how my 'special' email address I created for
especially for this list and only this list got to a spammer? In the two
or three years I've been on this list, this has never happened before,
until now.
You know, you can access this list from Google:
type Stephen Barncard
Hello Stephen,
I do sympathise.
I remember you changed your email address a few months ago... due to
spam.
As for me, I use many addresses:
My older one with a well-known FAI in France is over spammed (more
than 100 each day about porn, pharmacy, casino, low rates, watches,
etc.).
I'm
Sometime around 30/6/05 (at 02:22 -0500) Chipp Walters said:
You know, you can access this list from Google:
type Stephen Barncard site:lists.runrev.com into the Google search
box and you'll see your email address 'in the clear.'
Really? According to the Rev list membership page the
Can someone tell me how my 'special' email
address I created for especially for this
list and only this list got to a spammer?
The simplest way is for anyone who sends and receives
mail to/from this list to have a microsoft product, with a virus,
and said virus then sends all addresses it
Not in the clear unless they decode the AT back to @.
If that's true we're all vulnerable.
Hi Stephen,
You know, you can access this list from Google:
type Stephen Barncard site:lists.runrev.com into the Google search
box and you'll see your email address 'in the clear.' All a Spammer
has to
Hi Stephen,
Here is a part of some code:
A HREF=http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-
revolutionstephen at barncard.com/ABarncard site
A HREF=http://www.barncard.com;http://www.barncard.com/A
A regex and a replacement... to get [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quite easy :-(
Le
Thanks Eric,
That's not the address I use on this list, but I understand the ease
of 'decoding'.
My point: the method of substituting AT for @ is no longer useful
for deterring spam. Everyone on this list is vulnerable. This doesn't
seem to have been a problem for 3 years for me until today.
Stephen,
It sounds like a big coincidence that you just re-rigged your email
addresses and now after three years you are getting spam on the one
address.
I would think through your method of re-rigging and see if there might
be a hole. Just in case.
Tom
On Jun 30, 2005, at 9:40 AM,
Stephen,
I get the digest, and here's how the header ofyour last message looks
to me, with your address in the clear:
Message: 9
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:40:34 -0500
From: Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SPAM
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Message
Bob wrote:
Ok that looks like a list trawler, however, this list is available archived
on google and on other open servers...
I am not thrilled to hear that. I presumed that my email address
would be relatively safe on this list, because it is open to
subscribers only. If I had known
Timothy-
Thursday, June 30, 2005, 4:16:37 PM, you wrote:
TM I am not thrilled to hear that. I presumed that my email address
TM would be relatively safe on this list, because it is open to
TM subscribers only. If I had known otherwise, I would have subscribed
TM with a disposable email address.
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