Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-05 Thread Charles Hartman
Oh yes, I'm doing that all over the place for cross-references (from one card to another in a Reference substack). The buttons in question are navigation on a different level -- connections to further information on some detail of the topic a card addresses. Sorry to jump in so late in this

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-05 Thread Dan Soneson
Oh, I think as a generalization that makes excellent sense. In this particular case, it may or may not. This is a straight, lame, read- this-card tutorial app; some cards are too long not to scroll (already less than ideal from a UI standpoint, but I don't want to make the stack as big as the bigg

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-05 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Charles, That's so true and maybe we will see some great changes in HIG in the future. But I wonder if the interface should match the point unless of course as an example. Of course you can do it, but is it then more like an artists statement or a designers point? Will the users of the Tutori

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-05 Thread Charles Hartman
Sure -- though this is exactly not (if not _exactly_ the opposite of) the tutorial situation I'm talking about. That is: if the *abstruseness* of some information is part of the point of that information, doesn't an interface for getting at it that makes the path to it *not* automatic reinf

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-05 Thread Judy Perry
Not if Lind, Johnson & Sandblad are correct. In fact, I rmember being in a situation many moons ago in which I was failing a third semester calculus class (working my way up from an "F" to a hoped-for "C"). As I had eventually noticed that my instructor tended to just take exam problems that were

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-05 Thread Charles Hartman
I'll love to see it finished too . . . It may be a while; it's got *lots* of finicky little pieces. On Jul 5, 2005, at 8:43 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: I would love to see your stack when finished. GL Charles Hartman Professor of English, Poet in Residence Connecticut College [EMAIL PR

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-05 Thread Judy Perry
Yes, and one of my favorites to use in teaching is "The Art of the Obvious" (Lind, Johnson & Sandblad, CHI 1992). While it is largely concerned with "automatically processed components of the task of reading frequently used documents", the authors contend that their findings suggest "implications

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-05 Thread Glenn E. Fisher
On July 5, 2005 6:31:06 AM CDT Tom III wrote: 2 cents: I agree. It is not good moving buttons in fields or groups. It makes it too hard for users to develop a motor plan for those buttons. A motor plan is what happens during touch typing or even during walking where our muscles develop a plan to

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-05 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Charles, I am a firm believer in "Rules are meant to be broken" and KISS (Keep it simple stupid). I am also a Rebel at heart so I take the suggestions from people about good form and then 'see' what it might look like in real life. If my alternative solution works and is good enough than I go

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-05 Thread Charles Hartman
Yes, but couldn't it be argued that in this sense a tutorial app -- in effect, just a slicker & thinner alternative to a textbook -- has requirements-on-the-user's-attention different from a normal, "productive" app? Even *opposite* requirements? Slow 'em down! Block that skimming! OK, I kn

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-05 Thread Thomas McGrath III
2 cents: I agree. It is not good moving buttons in fields or groups. It makes it too hard for users to develop a motor plan for those buttons. A motor plan is what happens during touch typing or even during walking where our muscles develop a plan to those activities without having to think a

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-04 Thread Dan Shafer
I'd be inclined to have the More Info button outside the field and have it activate only when appropriate (e.g., when the user has scrolled all the way through the field or reached a certain point or whatever). But that's just me. Dan On Jul 4, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Charles Hartman wrote: Oh

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-04 Thread Charles Hartman
Cool! On Jul 4, 2005, at 5:25 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures! -- and buttons! (At the moment I'm doing this is a non-scrolling field inside a scrolling group, but aside from being tedious that has other disadvantages, such as the scrol

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-04 Thread Charles Hartman
Oh, I think as a generalization that makes excellent sense. In this particular case, it may or may not. This is a straight, lame, read- this-card tutorial app; some cards are too long not to scroll (already less than ideal from a UI standpoint, but I don't want to make the stack as big as th

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-04 Thread Richard Gaskin
WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures! -- and buttons! (At the moment I'm doing this is a non-scrolling field inside a scrolling group, but aside from being tedious that has other disadvantages, such as the scroll-wheel not working right.) To get scroll wheel support you c

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-04 Thread Dan Shafer
Just my two cents -- and it's a holiday here so my brain may be otherwise engaged -- I think putting buttons into scrolling fields is a terrible UI idea. By definition, it puts certain functionality out of the reach of the user until and unless s/he scrolls the field. Lotus NOtes allowed th

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-04 Thread Judy Perry
Richmond, As you are probably less of a goober than I, take a look at imageSource. While in my current harried state I was not able to get it to work, I know that others have. This allows you to do precisely what you desire (well, okay, I don't know about the precision part...). Judy On Fri, 1

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-04 Thread Charles Hartman
On Jul 1, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Mathewson wrote: I have just downloaded the SuperCard 4.5 demo and found they have a new feature: allowObjects this lets the user embed object (images and so on) inside FIELDS: WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures! -- and buttons! (At the mome

Re: Embedded objects in fields

2005-07-04 Thread Eric Chatonet
Hi son of Matthew :-), WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures! ImageSource was introduced in Rev 1.1 Specifies an image to be displayed in place of the specified character in a field. set the imageSource of character to {imageID |imageName |imageURL | empty} So... Best Re