Re: images in cross-platform stacks (PNGs)

2006-05-18 Thread Richard Gaskin
Alex Shaw wrote: Some good info & tips for using PNGs.. http://user.fundy.net/morris/?photoshop27.shtml http://user.fundy.net/morris/?photoshop03.shtml Really good articles; thanks for posting those. Not only great info on the PNG format, but also fine examples of good instructional design.

Re: images in cross-platform stacks (PNGs)

2006-05-18 Thread Alex Shaw
Hi Richard & others.. Some good info & tips for using PNGs.. http://user.fundy.net/morris/?photoshop27.shtml http://user.fundy.net/morris/?photoshop03.shtml regards alex ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this

Re: Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-18 Thread Malte Brill
Hi Tom, 1.8 on my intel iMac 17" by default. All the best, Malte I wonder what the new Intel Macs are set to? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscript

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-17 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Sarah, I just checked and the G4 15 inch Laptop is using 1.8 and is plugged into my 23 Cinema HD Display which is default set to 2.2 So the laptop is still 1.8 On my Sony laptop the gamma is 2.2 and on the 17 Sony flat screen it is also 2.2 I think Apple is changing in the HD displays. I

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-17 Thread Sarah Reichelt
On 5/18/06, Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: > Not being a graphics pro, I don't care one way or the other what the > gamma's set to, as long as it's consistent across platforms. If Apple's > default setting is a better match to the real world, will PC > makers/Micr

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-17 Thread Martin Baxter
Richard Gaskin wrote: Not being a graphics pro, I don't care one way or the other what the gamma's set to, as long as it's consistent across platforms. If Apple's default setting is a better match to the real world, will PC makers/Microsoft follow suit? It's on the outer fringes of likelih

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-17 Thread Phil Davis
Richard Gaskin wrote: If Apple's default setting is a better match to the real world, will PC makers/Microsoft follow suit? ROTFLOL! Phil ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-17 Thread Richard Gaskin
Martin Baxter wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: ... It's a tradeoff: the Apple gamma may give more detail among darker colors, but at the loss of detail among lighter ones. The default gamma for Macs is so light that the whole thing looks washed out to me; the first thing I do when I get a new

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-17 Thread Martin Baxter
Richard Gaskin wrote: Martin Baxter wrote: Does it not also have to do with being able to discern subtleties of shadow detail on-screen? Uncorrected CRT Gamma (as per Win / Nix / Television) gives a very non-linear display and tends to compress the bottom 20% to black. It's a tradeoff: the

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-17 Thread Richard Gaskin
Tereza Snyder wrote: On May 17, 2006, at 1:05 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Fireworks, eh? One more thing I like about you. :) Actually, Richard, way back at the dawn of time (1997?, 98?) I recommended Fireworks to you when you asked on the list. You had just switched from Supercard to MetaC

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-17 Thread Richard Gaskin
Martin Baxter wrote: Does it not also have to do with being able to discern subtleties of shadow detail on-screen? Uncorrected CRT Gamma (as per Win / Nix / Television) gives a very non-linear display and tends to compress the bottom 20% to black. It's a tradeoff: the Apple gamma may give mo

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-17 Thread Tereza Snyder
On May 17, 2006, at 1:05 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Fireworks, eh? One more thing I like about you. :) Actually, Richard, way back at the dawn of time (1997?, 98?) I recommended Fireworks to you when you asked on the list. You had just switched from Supercard to MetaCard if I recall. I'v

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-17 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Martin, My HD Cinema display is factory set to a Apple display native - Response Curve of Gamma of 2.2 but the individual Red, Green and Blue response curves are set to 1.801 When I do a Calibration these are all set-able. Tom On May 17, 2006, at 8:16 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: David and R

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-17 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Also, Targa and PNG do store gamma BUT JPEG, TIFF and GIF do not store gamma information. Gamma storage can be a good thing if used correctly and is preferable in the print industry. More on gamma: http://www.cgsd.com/papers/gamma.html Tom On May 17, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Thomas McGrath

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-17 Thread Martin Baxter
David and Richard, Does it not also have to do with being able to discern subtleties of shadow detail on-screen? Uncorrected CRT Gamma (as per Win / Nix / Television) gives a very non-linear display and tends to compress the bottom 20% to black. Images made in systems like this tend not to h

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-17 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Concerning PNGs and Gamma, This behavior of PNGs also occurs when using PNGs in a PocketPC device. In recent development I had PNGs with transparency "self" adjusting by as much as 15 points. I started out with pure white 255,255,255 for transparency and an off white 250,250,250 for non t

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-17 Thread David Glasgow
In the old days, 1.8 gave better print results - something to do with dot gains (?). That's proper commercial printing, not the stuff we do with desktop printers. I don't think it makes any difference now, but I could be wrong. If not, there are no obvious obstacles to Apple switching to 2.2.

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-16 Thread Richard Gaskin
Tereza Snyder wrote: On May 16, 2006, at 10:47 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Rev doesn't alter the display of JPEGs or GIFs -- why single out PNGs in this way, and why try to adjust for screen gamma when the screen is already doing anything that needs to be done there? and Mark Talluto wrote:

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-16 Thread Tereza Snyder
On May 16, 2006, at 10:47 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Rev doesn't alter the display of JPEGs or GIFs -- why single out PNGs in this way, and why try to adjust for screen gamma when the screen is already doing anything that needs to be done there? and Mark Talluto wrote: This is a question t

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-16 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Rev doesn't alter the display of JPEGs or GIFs -- why single out PNGs in > this way, and why try to adjust for screen gamma when the screen is > already doing anything that needs to be done there? I don't have the document links I used to, but suffice it to say,

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-16 Thread Mark Talluto
On May 16, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Phil Davis wrote: What happened was the screenGamma, since my image is a PNG file. Rev's screenGamma is a color? or brightness? or ??? adjustment factor applied only to PNG files. The screenGamma defaults are 1.7 for Mac and 2.2 for Wi

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-16 Thread Richard Gaskin
Phil Davis wrote: What happened was the screenGamma, since my image is a PNG file. Rev's screenGamma is a color? or brightness? or ??? adjustment factor applied only to PNG files. The screenGamma defaults are 1.7 for Mac and 2.2 for Windows. (I don't know what they are for Linux.) I then u

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-16 Thread Phil Davis
Hi Mark, Yes - there are certainly some great reasons to use PNGs. My comments really only apply in a particular context, even though I state them as absolute. :o) I'm really good at that. Phil Mark Talluto wrote: On May 16, 2006, at 5:23 PM, Phil Davis wrote: I just re-discovered some

Re: images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-16 Thread Mark Talluto
On May 16, 2006, at 5:23 PM, Phil Davis wrote: I just re-discovered something that might be helpful to others, so here goes. Bottom line: To simplify your code and your life, use JPG images, not PNGs, in stacks intended for cross-platform use. That way you don't have to mess with the sc

images in cross-platform stacks

2006-05-16 Thread Phil Davis
I just re-discovered something that might be helpful to others, so here goes. Bottom line: To simplify your code and your life, use JPG images, not PNGs, in stacks intended for cross-platform use. That way you don't have to mess with the screenGamma property to make everything look the same e