Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-20 Thread Fernand Vanrie
Hallo Regina , I agree, the current grid could be replaced by a "editable grid" who can been adapted to the multiple columns boundaries and to place also "horizontal" boundaries. Very good idea ! Ideal for our workflow New systems and idea's has advantages, but please let us, users, choo

[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-19 Thread NoOp
On 02/14/2012 08:20 AM, noibs wrote: > I just upgraded to 3.5 from 3.4.4. There are no page margins visible for my > Writer documents last saved in 3.4.4. Am I missing something? I've looked > for a preference and can't find one. I'm using Mac OS 10.7.3. I've opened a bug report regarding the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-17 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Hi Thorsten, Le 17/02/2012 10:24, Thorsten Behrens a écrit : Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: The place where to bring questions to the devs has to be a visible and accessible place. [...] I guess there's some work to be done to resolve those two points. not necessarily - what would be equa

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-17 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Hi Regina, I hope you didn't take my previous words as a personal attack, which they weren't. Le 17/02/2012 12:59, Regina Henschel a écrit : If I understand it right, the boundaries are only needed to align pictures with the mouse. If that is true, I think, a better solution would be not bri

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-17 Thread Regina Henschel
Hi Fernand, hi all, Fernand Vanrie schrieb: [..] When using a multiple column layout, in 95% of the cases the pictures are anchored to the page, because the editor want to fix the images on a specific place in his layout, and most pictures are wider than 1 column, see most of "magazines" layout.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-17 Thread Fernand Vanrie
Hallo Thorsten , A agree, i also looked over the possible problems with no margins for a page, but there was no communication over the column margins. Like i sayed before there are workarounds for the page margins, but working with columns and pictures covering more than 1 column becomes very

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-17 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: > The place where to bring questions to the devs has to be a visible > and accessible place. > > [...] > > I guess there's some work to be done to resolve those two points. > Hi Jean-Francois, not necessarily - what would be equally workable is a group of change a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-16 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Hi Thorsten, thanks for your answer. Le 16/02/2012 10:26, Thorsten Behrens a écrit : well, but it's true - *someone* would need to carry the discussion to the relevant list, see below. I would be very surprised if this is different in any other free software project of this size. Sure. If

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-16 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Hi Tom, Le 16/02/2012 10:49, Tom Davies a écrit : Regina gives good advice even if it's not always what you want to hear. In general i find that acting on Regina's advice gets the job done. I don't question Regina's answers which I always appreciate. I question *this specific* answer I quote

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-16 Thread Tom Davies
t few days and i think quite unfairly.  She is not paid to give advice and help people.  I don't think anyone here is.  Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 16/2/12, Thorsten Behrens wrote: From: Thorsten Behrens Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-16 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: > What bothers me the more on the users lists (FR is the same for that > matter) is the recurring motto Regina sang: "discussing here will > not make it appear." > Hi Jean-Francois, well, but it's true - *someone* would need to carry the discussion to the relevant l

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-15 Thread Fernand Vanrie
Dan , Thanks for the tip , page boundary's are a minnor problem , having no COLUMN boundaries can not been worked around On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 14:37 +0100, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Regina , You cut a few corners here, see my remarks inside Hi Fernand, Fernand Vanrie schrieb: Regina , True

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-15 Thread Dan Lewis
On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 14:37 +0100, Fernand Vanrie wrote: > Regina , > > You cut a few corners here, see my remarks inside > > > > Hi Fernand, > > > > Fernand Vanrie schrieb: > >> Regina , > >> > >> True for "page" layouts, but simple try a multiple column layout and try > >> to position a pictur

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-15 Thread Fernand Vanrie
Regina , You cut a few corners here, see my remarks inside Hi Fernand, Fernand Vanrie schrieb: Regina , True for "page" layouts, but simple try a multiple column layout and try to position a picture (anchored to the page) The column boundaries are also gone. If you anchor a picture to pa

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-15 Thread Regina Henschel
Hi Fernand, Fernand Vanrie schrieb: Regina , True for "page" layouts, but simple try a multiple column layout and try to position a picture (anchored to the page) The column boundaries are also gone. If you anchor a picture to page, then the reference is the page not a column. Anchoring to a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-15 Thread Fernand Vanrie
Regina , True for "page" layouts, but simple try a multiple column layout and try to position a picture (anchored to the page) The column boundaries are also gone. Greetz Fernand Hi noibs, noibs schrieb: [..] I'm a college professor who writes his own teaching materials. Each course fea

[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread NoOp
On 02/14/2012 11:17 AM, noibs wrote: ... > > Frankly, I view the elimination of visible margins as part of the dumbing > down of user interfaces that I'm seeing in Mac OS Lion, Ubuntu 11.10, and > now LO. It's the "let's make it pretty to look at even if if compromises > the usefulness" school of

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread Tom Davies
Tom :) --- On Tue, 14/2/12, noibs wrote: From: noibs Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 14 February, 2012, 23:25 One more workaround that seems to have the least drawbacks for me is to apply a very

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Le 15/02/2012 00:25, noibs a écrit : One more workaround that seems to have the least drawbacks for me is to apply a very light shade of gray or some color to the background of the page. It will include the main page, header and footer. Then, if you haven't already done it, set your printing pr

[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread noibs
One more workaround that seems to have the least drawbacks for me is to apply a very light shade of gray or some color to the background of the page. It will include the main page, header and footer. Then, if you haven't already done it, set your printing preferences in Writer to not print backgr

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Le 14/02/2012 21:59, noibs a écrit : Please explain why this change is better? How does it make users more efficient? I now have to hover to see the header/footer line. How is that faster than it was before? How many word processors that offer decent layout capabilities DON'T offer an option

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-02-14 02:36 PM, noibs wrote: > Here's the best workaround that I've discovered so far. [...] You could also enable the grid: Tools > Options > LibreOffice Writer > Grid > Visible Grid I'd consider the lack of an option to make the actual marg

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread Steven Shelton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2/14/2012 4:02 PM, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: > You could also enable the grid: Yeah, the grid does work for this purpose, which is why I haven't rolled back to 3.4.5. But the margin lines were so much nicer! - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIG

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-02-14 02:36 PM, noibs wrote: > Here's the best workaround that I've discovered so far. [...] You could also enable the grid: Tools > Options > LibreOffice Writer > Grid > Visible Grid I'd consider the lack of an option to make the actual marg

[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread noibs
Regina, Please explain why this change is better? How does it make users more efficient? I now have to hover to see the header/footer line. How is that faster than it was before? How many word processors that offer decent layout capabilities DON'T offer an option to actually see the page layou

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread Regina Henschel
Hi noibs, noibs schrieb: I have no illusions that I'm going to win this argument; however, I use the visible margins in two ways: 1. When deciding when to add a manual page break, I need to exactly how far until the end of the main page, excluding the space occupied by the footer. Let's say I'm

[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread noibs
Here's the best workaround that I've discovered so far. I have five really large (400+) page documents that I'm constantly revising and that are only printed once or twice a year. First, I've set my default page style to include a very thin (0.02 pt wide) light gray border around the entire print

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread Tom Davies
-- On Tue, 14/2/12, noibs wrote: From: noibs Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 14 February, 2012, 19:17 I have no illusions that I'm going to win this argument; however, I use the visible marg

[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread noibs
I have no illusions that I'm going to win this argument; however, I use the visible margins in two ways: 1. When deciding when to add a manual page break, I need to exactly how far until the end of the main page, excluding the space occupied by the footer. Let's say I'm getting ready to begin a t

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread Regina Henschel
Hi noibs, noibs schrieb: [..] I'm a college professor who writes his own teaching materials. Each course features roughly a 400-page Writer document that contains a variety of inline graphical objects created in Draw or Calc and then pasted in as a GDI Metafile. Usually, I need to resize those

[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread noibs
Meant to say "a kludge that should NOT be necessary." -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-3-5-Can-t-see-page-margins-in-Writer-tp3744148p3744393.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h.

[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-14 Thread noibs
I can understand eliminating visible margins for people who desire that...but why not make it a preference setting? Yes, I already thought of either using a colored background or a border around my writable area, but those things print. That's what I'll probably do, but it's a kludge that should