Re: F16 unusable while writing to pendrive

2011-12-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 04:14, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: Basically, the system tries to find a place big enough to hold the entire file instead of putting the first chunk into the first place it finds. Please confirm if I understood this right, as I¨m not familiar with the low-level APIs

Re: f16 - What, yet ANOTHER kernel update???

2011-12-18 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
moar moar MOAR! \o/ On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 4:13 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.comwrote: Gee I have not rebooted since installing the LAST kernel update! Well here we go again -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: F16 unusable while writing to pendrive

2011-12-18 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 06:17 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: I do know that for instance some bittorrent clients (Vuze -formerly azureus comes to mind) allocate the full size of the file being retrieved, then starts populating (writing) segments as those are downloaded, but I never knew if the

Re: Getting a list of applications and packages on my Fedora machine !?

2011-12-18 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, William Case billli...@rogers.com wrote: I think I remember reading a suggestion here about how to get a list of the main or core programs on my machine.  It was -- I think -- an rpm or yum list command of some kind + grep.  I don't want every plugin or update

Re: F16 unusable while writing to pendrive

2011-12-18 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2011-12-17 at 21:15 -0800, sourcerer_...@riseup.net wrote: Actually, the fact that Linux drives don't need regular defragging has nothing to do with the file system. It should still be possible to fragment a large file if, for example, you opened a file that covered more than 3

Re: [ABANDONING:] Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk

2011-12-18 Thread g
On 12/18/2011 07:24 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: typo on my part ... I meant to say that they won't get email (Thunderbird) unless reason is given why -=- ok. You are doing a good job of making me paranoid (smile) -=- thank you. i take pride in what i do. LOL Brain is fried -=- i use

Missing icon from KDE System Tray

2011-12-18 Thread Ed Greshko
If you happen to catch it, you'd know that my F15 system crashed and burned due to a disk gone bad. So, I installed a fresh F16 system and fully updated it while preserving /home. Everything seems back to normal...still have some applications that need installing...but I have one problem. I use

zsh: bad option, bash works

2011-12-18 Thread Zind
hi, all Here is my execution result of the 'type -t' command: % type -t poweroff zsh: bad option: -t % bash $ type -t poweroff file $ zsh --version zsh 4.3.11 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) zsh warns 'bad option -t', but bash works fine I test it on Ubuntu 11.10 Fedora 15, but no change. Any help or

Re: zsh: bad option, bash works

2011-12-18 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Zind wzmind...@gmail.com wrote: hi, all Here is my execution result of the 'type -t' command: % type -t poweroff zsh: bad option: -t % bash $ type -t poweroff file $ zsh --version zsh 4.3.11 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) zsh warns 'bad option -t', but bash works

Apper message doesn't quite make sense

2011-12-18 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
Apper is the GUI for PackageKit. After updating my system, it does some housekeeping and finally says something like: Your system is up to date. Verified 1 day and 3.5 hours ago. To which my reaction is but you only *just* verified it, idiot!. Am I missing something here? poc

OPENVAS: has anybody got it ever started?

2011-12-18 Thread Reindl Harald
i am running at F15 and not sure if this bugreport from F16 is relevant https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=748945 _ openvasmd --rebuild +++ killed by SIGABRT +++ [root@openvas:/var/log/openvas]$ cat openvasmd.log md main:WARNING:2011-12-18 14h21.48

Re: Apper message doesn't quite make sense

2011-12-18 Thread Ed Greshko
Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: Apper is the GUI for PackageKit. After updating my system, it does some housekeeping and finally says something like: Your system is up to date. Verified 1 day and 3.5 hours ago. To which my reaction is but you only *just*

Re: zsh: bad option, bash works

2011-12-18 Thread Zind
Thanks a trillion. :-) On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:58 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Zind wzmind...@gmail.com wrote: hi, all Here is my execution result of the 'type -t' command: % type -t poweroff zsh: bad option: -t % bash

Re: F16 unusable while writing to pendrive

2011-12-18 Thread Alan Cox
the low-level APIs involved with file creation. Is there a way to tell the file system that you´re creating a file with total size x before any such data is written to it, I mean, as part of the file creation call?. Yes. I mean, it is one thing to create a file with size 0, then start

Re: F16 unusable while writing to pendrive

2011-12-18 Thread Alan Cox
Actually, the fact that Linux drives don't need regular defragging has nothing to do with the file system. Actually the fact that linux drives don't get defragged is more because there are no defragging tools than because there wouldn't be a performance benefit to having the sectors in

Re: Scanner not showing up in HP Device Manager [SOLVED]

2011-12-18 Thread Jon Ingason
2011-12-17 19:58, Jon Ingason skrev: Hi, I just moved from Fedora 14 to Fedora 16. Since I had decided to excahnge my 500 GB hard disk with to 1 TB disks I did a clean install of Fedora 16. I have a HP Photosmart Prem c310 AllInOne. It is connected to my computer via USB. In Fedora 14 I

Re: Getting a list of applications and packages on my Fedora machine !?

2011-12-18 Thread Genes MailLists
So how does one get a list of all installed packages - i.e. all groups and all packages not already installed as part of any installed group? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Getting a list of applications and packages on my Fedora machine !?

2011-12-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 10:41:10 -0500, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: So how does one get a list of all installed packages - i.e. all groups and all packages not already installed as part of any installed group? Installed groups aren't really tracked. You can get a list of

Stateless clients

2011-12-18 Thread Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu
Hi All, Does anyone know how to use Fedora's stateless linux feature set? I can PXE boot a client with a read only file system, but I haven't figured out how to write data that should survive reboots. Documentation on this is really bad, and I can barely find anything on the Internet. I don't

Re: Getting a list of applications and packages on my Fedora machine !?

2011-12-18 Thread Jon Ingason
2011-12-18 16:49, Bruno Wolff III skrev: On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 10:41:10 -0500, Genes MailListsli...@sapience.com wrote: So how does one get a list of all installed packages - i.e. all groups and all packages not already installed as part of any installed group? Installed groups

RAID disk failure

2011-12-18 Thread Jeffrey Ross
It finally happened I had a disk failure in my RAID-1 system, I got a message from SMART telling me that I had a drive failing and and checked the mdstat and sure enough /dev/sda was missing/failed. Ok, drive has been replaced and I did the following: 1) recreated the partition table with

Re: RAID disk failure

2011-12-18 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Jeffrey Ross writes: It finally happened I had a disk failure in my RAID-1 system, I got a message from SMART telling me that I had a drive failing and and checked the mdstat and sure enough /dev/sda was missing/failed. Ok, drive has been replaced and I did the following: 1) recreated

Re: Getting a list of applications and packages on my Fedora machine !?

2011-12-18 Thread Genes MailLists
I guess groups are a purely an initial install convenience and offer no advantages beyond that - in which case if one wants to ensure that an install has all packages of a previous install - then simply ignoring groups and doing yum list installed | (clever script or human) fixinstall.sh

Re: RAID disk failure

2011-12-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.12.2011 18:51, schrieb Sam Varshavchik: Carefully review the existing partition layout on what I presume is your good disk, /dev/sdb, and compare it with your recreated partition table on /dev/sda. Hopefully, on /dev/sdb, your first partition starts on sector 2048, and not sector

Re: RAID disk failure

2011-12-18 Thread Jeffrey Ross
On 12/18/2011 12:51 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Jeffrey Ross writes: It finally happened I had a disk failure in my RAID-1 system, I got a message from SMART telling me that I had a drive failing and and checked the mdstat and sure enough /dev/sda was missing/failed. Ok, drive has been

Re: F16 unusable while writing to pendrive

2011-12-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/18/2011 01:17 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: Is that what you are saying?. Did you follow the link I gave? It's what the explanation there implies. However, I'm guessing that the system only knows how big your first write is, not how big the file's going to get, partially because the

Re: F16 unusable while writing to pendrive

2011-12-18 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 18.12.2011, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: This looks like a regression. Under F15 when I wrote large files to a pendrive, the system would become a little sluggish. Now it essentially freezes until the write terminates. What I mean is that the UI is almost completely unresponsive; even

Re: Getting a list of applications and packages on my Fedora machine !? -- Just a comment.

2011-12-18 Thread William Case
On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 13:01 -0500, Genes MailLists wrote: I guess groups are a purely an initial install convenience and offer no advantages beyond that - in which case if one wants to ensure that an install has all packages of a previous install - then simply ignoring groups and doing

Re: Recovering Journal - How Long?

2011-12-18 Thread Linda McLeod
Way back in my Ubuntu days, after a gruelling window's winter in hell, there was a Linux program that would show you the junk that's on the hd... After the lengthy scan, one can click-open several found stale deleted files... If you can open it in bits, you can probably copy it... From what

Re: RAID disk failure

2011-12-18 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Jeffrey Ross writes:    Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System /dev/sdb1   *  63  787184  393561   fd  Linux raid autodetect /dev/sdb2  787185    16418429 7815622+  fd  Linux raid autodetect /dev/sdb3    16418430    24418799 4000185   fd 

Re: F16 unusable while writing to pendrive

2011-12-18 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 10:45 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/18/2011 01:17 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: Is that what you are saying?. Did you follow the link I gave? It's what the explanation there implies. However, I'm guessing that the system only knows how big your first write is, not how

Re: F16 unusable while writing to pendrive

2011-12-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/18/2011 11:54 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I taught Unix filesystem fundamentals for years and I have no idea what you're getting at. Just saying. If you want to be more specific perhaps we can talk. The link I gave has a rather simplistic explanation. I used to have a link to a more

Re: F16 unusable while writing to pendrive

2011-12-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/18/2011 11:56 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Nevertheless it happens and appears to affect other people as well. Which makes it a subtle bug to find, unfortunately. The OP should open a BZ report, with as much hardware detail as possible and post a link here. Then, you can add a

Re: [RESOLVED] Re: Recovering Journal - How Long?

2011-12-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/18/2011 12:14 PM, Linda McLeod wrote: Recite a hard-drive repair-prayer to one of your pretend gods..? Or, for that matter, a prayer to a real god might work. Unless, of course, you pick one who doesn't do major favors for J. Random Believer because he/she/it expects you to solve your

Re: [RESOLVED] Re: Recovering Journal - How Long?

2011-12-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/19/2011 04:14 AM, Linda McLeod wrote: If hd is toast.. it can't hurt to tap it hard a few times, in the right ways... You can lightly tap it while it's trying to boot..? Off the top.. Why not install the hd upside-down, and try it..? Or freeze it with freeze spray, but not so much so

Re: Recovering Journal - How Long?

2011-12-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/19/2011 03:33 AM, Linda McLeod wrote: From what I've experienced, I figure the only way to properly prep a hd for a new install, is to DBAN Autonuke the hd.. (Caution to not leave any game or flash drives in the box)... Then unplug the tower and net-cable, and pull the battery for

Re: [RESOLVED] Re: Recovering Journal - How Long?

2011-12-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/18/2011 12:37 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: As for singing frarajoka backwards, our ceremony usually included swinging a dead chicken. People wonder why we wave dead chickens over equipment when it doesn't work. My explanation is that we do it because once in a great while, it works, and it

Re: process /usr/bin/virtuoso-t killed by signal 11

2011-12-18 Thread Rex Dieter
CS DBA wrote: Hi all; I get this error every time I login, Fedora 15 x86_64, using KDE kdm. process /usr/bin/virtuoso-t killed by signal 11 Your nepomuk database is likely corrupted somehow. If you have no essential nepomuk metadata (if you don't know, then the answer is no. :) ), then

Re: zsh: bad option, bash works

2011-12-18 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 18Dec2011 22:51, Zind wzmind...@gmail.com wrote: | Thanks a trillion. :-) Did you consult the manual? man zshbuiltins says: type [ -wfpams ] name ... Equivalent to whence -v. whence [ -vcwfpams ] name ... For each name, indicate how it would be

Re: [RESOLVED] Re: Recovering Journal - How Long?

2011-12-18 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 12/18/2011 01:02 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/18/2011 12:37 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: As for singing frarajoka backwards, our ceremony usually included swinging a dead chicken. People wonder why we wave dead chickens over equipment when it doesn't work. My explanation is that we do it because

Re: gnome-terminal not working

2011-12-18 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 08Dec2011 12:01, Vishnupradeep intermedia.vis...@gmail.com wrote: | Installed gnome-terminal.x86_64 0:3.2.1-2.fc16 in fedora 16. But i can't | start it. An error occurs or nothing happens when opened. I am unable to | send the error details now, because nothing happens now when i tried to |

Re: [RESOLVED] Re: Recovering Journal - How Long?

2011-12-18 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:45:18 -0800 Daniel B. Thurman wrote: The key here is, dead chickens/popes cannot breathe life into the drive because it (chicken/pope) is dead, but don't take my word for it, do your own homework and at your own risk. Actually, I've seen a desperation move work: Put

Re: Missing icon from KDE System Tray

2011-12-18 Thread g
On 12/18/2011 01:11 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: If you happen to catch it, you'd know that my F15 system crashed and burned due to a disk gone bad. -=- sure did. :-( glad to see you are back up. :-) So, I installed a fresh F16 system and fully updated it while preserving /home. Everything seems

Progress on getting my desktop working properly

2011-12-18 Thread Joe Zeff
I've cleaned up all of the problems reported by package-cleanup. Checking for dupes reported over 1400 duplicate packages; but telling it to clean them hung the program. I've spent the last several days hacking away at this, little by little until I got down to about 1025 or so, and tried

Re: Missing icon from KDE System Tray

2011-12-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/19/2011 11:54 AM, g wrote: Anyone have an idea as to how to troubleshoot this? -=- swag... you do not have icon defined for application in f16 that you had defined in f15, therefore no icon is displayed. to remedy, define an available icon for application. I never had to define

Re: Missing icon from KDE System Tray

2011-12-18 Thread g
On 12/19/2011 03:54 AM, g wrote: On 12/18/2011 01:11 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Anyone have an idea as to how to troubleshoot this? -=- swag... you do not have icon defined for application in f16 that you had defined in f15, therefore no icon is displayed. to remedy, define an available

Re: zsh: bad option, bash works

2011-12-18 Thread Zind
I did consult the manual of zsh and bash. But I didn't realize that command 'type' is implemented within the shell. I thought maybe something is missing in the zsh manual of command 'type'. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: On 18Dec2011 22:51, Zind

Re: Missing icon from KDE System Tray

2011-12-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/19/2011 12:17 PM, g wrote: On 12/19/2011 03:54 AM, g wrote: On 12/18/2011 01:11 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Anyone have an idea as to how to troubleshoot this? -=- swag... you do not have icon defined for application in f16 that you had defined in f15, therefore no icon is displayed.

Re: Missing icon from KDE System Tray

2011-12-18 Thread g
On 12/19/2011 04:58 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: I think maybe I didn't make it clear in the original post. The IBus Panel *is* in the systray. It even shows in the System Tray Settings under Entries. I even marked it Always Visible. I can click in the area occupied by the IBus Panel and change

Re: Progress on getting my desktop working properly

2011-12-18 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 18 December 2011 20:00:25 Joe Zeff wrote: I've cleaned up all of the problems reported by package-cleanup. Checking for dupes reported over 1400 duplicate packages; but telling it to clean them hung the program. I've spent the last several days hacking away at this, little by little